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BenWilson, in reply to
Quite interesting, although I think both Hager and Gustafson focus just a little too much on the influence of Brash in the party, without really considering how he came to be the leader of that party. How credible is it that no-one amongst all those career politicians understood what the guy was about? It was bloody obvious even to "the punters in punterland".
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Same people deep behind both is what I've been saying and you have been resisting hearing it seems.
I've heard it, Sacha. I'm just not buying what you're selling, and you're not making much of a case to change my mind.
(Sanctuary, this is where you swoop in -- just cut and paste the script I prepared earler.)
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Brash and Banks hatched their plans for a comeback about four months ago but the decision to make a run for ACT was not finalised till last month, when Hide offered Brash the co-leadership, which he rejected.
Brash and Banks confirmed yesterday there had been talks with people within the wider National Party, but would not say who. But there had been no talks with Key or his inner circle.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4939515/Key-talks-down-Brash-Cabinet-role
They are not just not denying it, as it were.
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Sacha, in reply to
I'm just not buying what you're selling
Back to that cake stall to raise funds for the party, eh
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BenWilson, in reply to
I'm curious why Brash is saying Epsom is no longer a priority. Either he rates himself beyond all evidence as capable of overcoming ACTs scandalous image (despite his own rather scandalous one), and pushing them beyond the threshold. Or he's got something else up his sleeve. Where's he going to stand if Banks is in Epsom? Wellington Central perhaps?
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Mikaere Curtis, in reply to
You’ve pulled this on me before, so I won’t bother asking for an apology and retraction. But it would nice if you’d think a little about respect being a two way street and snidely dog-whistling that people you disagree with are like child abusers isn’t even close.
You may have misread - I said "Paternal" not parental. As in patriarchal authoritarianism. And, no, I wasn't dogwhistling. But I do find the whole attitude of "we know better than you, and will override your wishes" to be somewhat patronising.
@ Graeme
The Don Brash National Party opposed the Foreshore and Seabed Act =)
True, but only because it didn't go far enough. So you have two classes of owner - aboriginal (who will be vastly Maori, if not completely) and fee simple (a mixture). They F&S act only applied to one group, who just happened to be vastly (or wholly) Maori, and not to the others. Surely you can see a problem here ?
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Back to that cake stall to raise funds for the party, eh
Oddly enough, Sacha, there are still one or two people who get off their arses and participate instead of bitching on the sidelines. And, yes, people still fundraise for political parties old school. You might also want to de-bitch for a moment and give a little respect to the people of all political stripes and party affiliations who are going to be out on the streets campaigning. Yes, the days when National and Labour were credibly claiming to have hundreds of thousands of members are gone. There's plenty of reasons to cynical about politics and the political process, but I'm just a little tired of being patronising and treated like an idiot because you don't like the party I support and belong to.
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3410,
Where's he going to stand if Banks is in Epsom?
Tamaki?
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BenWilson, in reply to
Could be - an electorate with a proud history of voting in ex-leaders of the National party, no matter how old and doddery they've become, or how much of a cock they were when they held the country in their iron fist for nearly a decade.
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Sacha, in reply to
give a little respect to the people of all political stripes and party affiliations who are going to be out on the streets campaigning
Wouldn't you say opposing big money and backroom power is exactly that? If I were the rank and file volunteers I'd feel mighty pissed off at what has played out this week. And corrupted processes aren't good for any of us regardless of what movements or organisations we might support.
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Sacha, in reply to
Tamaki
Boscawen, innit?
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Sacha, in reply to
I'm just a little tired of being patronising
Glad to hear that.
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Mike Graham, in reply to
Boscowan looks as if he might be making a play for Tamaki - ads have recently appeared in the East & Bays Courier with his office listed as being in Kohi.
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Er, no-one seems to be asking whether the Donald or John Banks *could* win Epsom for ACT. It's an urban liberal seat- look at the yes vote on the belting referendum back in 2009 and the fact that the only sitting MP that was defeated was that bent old duffer Richard Worth. Christine Fletcher and Rodney were quite liberal on social issues,, until Rodders had an attack of the Mad Populist Gits,,,
Craig Y
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Back to that cake stall to raise funds for the party, eh
Eh? Don will give the Brethren a call wouldn't he?
Brash and Banks confirmed yesterday there had been talks with people within the wider National Party
I remember the Wgtn Town Hall election public meeting in 1975 when the banner fell down with "Jack Stabber" on it. (Muldoon has just rolled Jack Marshall).
There is at least one yellow jacket with a slot in the back of it. I wonder if John has ordered a stab proof plice vest yet? This "Wider National Party" must be fun place to share a beer.
Edit: I forgot to finish by saying ACT will be gone by lunchtime of the day after the election.
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Don Brash is seventy. John Banks is sixty five. Roger Douglas is seventy five. ...
I wonder if this will mean the Parliamentary budget for adult incontinence pants will need to be vastly increased?
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but I'm just a little tired of being patronising and treated like an idiot because you don't like the party I support and belong to.
Let's call it election year fever
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You've got to be extracting the urine. Do you know anyone involved with ACT, or are they the Higgs boson in your model of the political universe?
The question really is, to what extent have significant people in the National Party been consulted, and to what extent do they support him. Brash says that he's spoken to people on the inside, which isn't surprising given that he was (still is?) a member two days ago - and a significant one. He's ruled out Key's inner circle. But has he spoken to national MPs? Senior campaign staff? Significant people in electorates? Professionals in advertising etc attached to national?
Over the next couple of months we'll see if him taking over ACT is going to have any significant impacts upon National in terms of members changing over, people switching. A major coup would be a sitting MP or two changing to ACT.
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The way things are going, here are the parties we'll be voting for...
- Il Partito Nazionale di Nuova Zelanda
- Il Partito Laburista di Nuova Zelanda
- Il Partito Verdi
- Il Associazione dei Consumatori e Contribuenti
- Nuova Zelanda Primo
- Il Partito Maori
- Uniti-Futuro Nuova Zelanda
- Il Partito Mana
- Il Partito Alleanza di Nuova Zelanda
- Il Partito Riforma Nuova Zelanda
- Il Libertarianz -
Hone Harawira's party has website: http://mana.net.nz
(h/t DigitalMaori)
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