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Up Front: Absence of Malice

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  • Emma Hart,

    Wow it's been years since I spread a totally true rumour that no one believed.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Heather W.,

    So who is getting the post points? And is this the PAS collective or the Borg? Can anyone tell which Emma is Isabel?

    My school life gets summed up as didn't. Didn't wag - no point as am one of the invisibles so would have been marked as present anyway. Didn't do seventh form, nor university, didn't finish tech.

    Even detention was lame. Hadn't finished English homework so of course was asked to read it out in class. Got to point where writing ran out and just said "um" and continued 'reading' - friend of friend told. Got detention but teacher didn't put on detention list so when I turned up wasn't expected.

    North Shore • Since Nov 2008 • 189 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    I just want to know who I am today...

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I just want to know who I am today...

    Can I suggest that both versions of Emma log out and then log back in as themselves?

    I can't think of a way this could happen, but obviously, it'll be less amusing as it goes on.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22747 posts Report Reply

  • Isabel Hitchings,

    'doh I think I briefly forgot that logging out was an option *blushes*

    lets see if that's done it

    Christchurch • Since Jul 2007 • 719 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    lets see if that's done it

    Yay!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22747 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Can I suggest that both versions of Emma log out and then log back in as themselves?

    That's one of those sentences I never thought I'd hear.

    Still, nice to see Isabel back to being Isabel. I'm sure it's much less traumatic for both our partners that way.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Resistance is futile.

    But fun.

    Really? Because I usually have more fun when I give in.

    You haven't given in if you never resisted.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10630 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Okay, I guess it's a fair question. Never, ever ever. Nor would I, nor would I tolerate that in my children.

    Why not? What if, in response to this new testing system, cheating becomes the norm? Meaning your children are competing not just with individual cheaters but whole networks of children cheating for a better future?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    Ah! The Future Cheaters -- one of Tim Flannery's lesser-known works.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1886 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    linger - heh! Love it.
    Anyone here read his "Wayleggo"? (Think that's the title, temporarily unable to access library.) Contains one of the more disgusting scenes I've ever read (and no, I dont mean the the instructive sequence about
    about how to disassemble a human body for back-transport)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Isabel Hitchings,

    Meaning your children are competing not just with individual cheaters but whole networks of children cheating for a better future?

    If they are cheating then there is no way of accurately assessing their own progress and therefore no chance of their teachers knowing what it is they need to learn. And, in general, cheaters do eventually get caught out (if not by being caught in the act then by having to admit incompetence in a "real-world" situation they are only technically qualified for).

    Christchurch • Since Jul 2007 • 719 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    Anyone here read his "Wayleggo"? (Think that's the title, temporarily unable to access library.)

    This? Great guy, great writer, great read.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    haha

    And, in general, cheaters do eventually get caught out (if not by being caught in the act then by having to admit incompetence in a "real-world" situation they are only technically qualified for).

    hence: Made in China, and the various connotations of that label on products. However, I feel, 50,000 hospitalized children isn't a humane 'caught in the act' scenario (and I'm sure Fonterra and FOnterra shareholders would agree on that point). So I'm interested to see if the same trends will come to pass in NZ, especially as NZ kids are already competing against them in the tertiary sector, and you only have to look online to find the various cheat sites that enabled them to successfully pass the IELTS exams to gain admittance to study in NZ, and that's not even taking into account the FTA's job allocation system.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    ...and when examining it from a chicken and egg perspective, I'm fairly confident that it's a natural cultural manifestation rather than a response to the education system. My main point, I think, (if I have one) is; the introduction of this testing, favors the Chinese students in New Zealand (of which there are a few), which leads me to wonder whether the rest will be content to be left behind in the good name of honesty, or will be forced to compete on a new more sinister playing field....

    Tim Flannery-The Future Cheaters

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Dontchaluv human brains?
    Idiot transposes

    "Throwimwayleg"

    (good Pidgin)


    for "Wayleggo"

    (good South Island shepherd speak to dogs...)

    And yep Joe - great - indeed must - read-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    Dontchaluv human brains?

    Love that ability to free-associate.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    What if, in response to this new testing system, cheating becomes the norm? Meaning your children are competing not just with individual cheaters but whole networks of children cheating for a better future?

    I can't see why the new testing regime would cause this, given no previous testing regime has.

    However, my son is off next year to a school (Unlimiited Paenga Tawhiti) which doesn't have a standard curriculum. I'm struggling to imagime how you would cheat at a Learner-Directed Experience. Even getting outside help is considered a skill.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    I can't see why the new testing regime would cause this, given no previous testing regime has.

    Clear national standards in reading, writing, and numeracy will be negotiated with the education sector. Secondly, all primary schools will be required to use assessment programmes that compare the progress of their students with those standards. Schools will be able to choose from a range of tools including existing ones. Thirdly, parents will have the right to see all assessment information and receive regular plain English reports about their child’s progress towards national standards.

    There could be said to be certain incentives to get a higher grade.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0812/S00158.htm

    while back on topic

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/4759095a11.html

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Isabel Hitchings,

    re: cheating

    Like Emma I think that in the NZ setting that sort of wide-scale cheating is unlikely to happen (and, also like Emma, I've chosen schools (Discovery1 currently) where it's unlikely to be relevant) but, even if it were one of the this I'd like my children to learn (even more than I want them to learn literacy or numeracy) is the value of doing what is right over what is profitable.

    (could I construct a paragraph with more parentheses?)

    Christchurch • Since Jul 2007 • 719 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Like Emma I think that in the NZ setting that sort of wide-scale cheating is unlikely to happen

    yea, (that's totally right), i really should stop with these tenuous arguments, playing devil's advocate's assistant too long is hard work.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • jon_knox,

    Canda's equivalent of National Radio did a bunch of podcasts on Eductation and this one was the listener's choice. (Sadly it seems their archiving & web strategy seems to hide a lot of interesting programs, or is so complicated that the result is manifestly the same as hiding it)

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Watched 'righteous kill' last night;
    The chaaracter Tom says;
    "most people respect the badge, everyone respects the gun."

    So in case Eddie Clark, Danielle, Sacha etc ever watch this movie or another like it (of which there are many), and get caught on these lines, and naturally assume there must have been some kind of mistake, or are flummoxed to the point that you are overcome by that cute desire to write in and correct De Niro or the screenwriter. This thread could serve as a helpful reference point in lieu of days wagged.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    So in case Eddie Clark, Danielle, Sacha etc ever watch this movie or another like it (of which there are many), and get caught on these lines, and naturally assume there must have been some kind of mistake

    Mark, dude, I am On Holiday. Are you making a point, or just trying to piss people off?

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Mark, most of us make distinctions between creative use of language and the more precise kind you need when arguing a point. That's all. You'll find both kinds enjoyably woven through the discussions here.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

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