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Speaker: Are we seeing the end of MSM, and is that a good thing?

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  • Ian Dalziel,

    Happy World News Day everybody!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Anyone seen any happy world news?

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 325 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Interesting initiative announced today:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/112982552/new-public-media-fund-to-boost-regional-news-coverage

    The $1 million of public money being tipped into a pilot scheme to hire more reporters to cover local news around the country won't save media as we've known it, but it's a start.
    These reporters will go into places where the local newspaper is battling economic headwinds, and struggling to provide coverage of the depth previous generations of readers enjoyed.

    Sounds good, but I'm not seeing any mechanism that ensures editors will actually run the stories...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    RNZ’s story about it notes they already share content with a range of other publishers. I can’t see strapped media organisations turning up their noses at free stories.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to Sacha,

    I can’t see strapped media organisations turning up their noses at free stories.

    I can. You may have noticed in Australia recently that large chunks of the media became very explicitly partisan. There is no free anything that they would publish unless it suited their agenda (and in many cases they're not profitable anyway).

    But more broadly, stories no-one wants to read aren't worth the effort of adding to the outlet (even if free editorial-management is also provided), because zero extra attention divided by any amount of cost at all = zero return on investment.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1233 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Newshub (AM Show) are at it again.

    Previously a complaint was upheld against Newshub for their fake poll. They admitted it was rigged - they got spammed.

    Response: "As a result of this complaint the MediaWorks digital team is auditing the polling application."

    So today there's another "poll" and guess what? 87% (as of now) negative on the Budget. It rose rapidly in no time. It seems nothing has changed at MediaWorks.

    To be clear, I'm not shouting "Bias!". It's not even that. It's complete indifference to truth, and journalism. And it does matter (saying "I don't watch" is beside the point). The numbers are then used in wider news coverage. It's called a poll. It isn't a poll. It's a lie. And it's not good enough.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    It’s called a poll. It isn’t a poll. It’s a lie. And it’s not good enough.

    I suspect the powers that be at TV3 think 'polling' is just cutting horns off
    - they don't want sheep or cows that can think or fight back...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to ,

    bloody fix this

    Raising the dead is a thankless task, anyway they cant walk on water, colour similarity or no.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to ,

    organise a public meeting

    Ah but the painted ponies who front the cesspool/crocodile pit that is the remains of public broadcasting may not be able to schedule it into their lifes. Poor luvs!
    We're in freefall now, and some one packed up the safety nets.
    How high can we bounce off a hard surface?
    (Is the only question that remains to be answered.)

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    For The Whinny!

    If only it were more “Hair!” and less “Harrumph!”

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Terrible editorial judgement on TV1 news tonight. They gave a platform to a far-right guy, the sole source of the story. He cast himself as a victim, and the reporter (Thomas Mead) played along. There was no independent reporting, they simply relayed his phone footage. He then got to make his claims, was not challenged in an interview, with no evidence of any wrongdoing by police, nothing to merit this even being a story, let alone a lead.

    What were they thinking?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    In the aftermath of the mosque massacre, Stuff reviewed its comments policy, and made some changes, mostly positive in my view. The trolling went down, the moderating got stronger, and it became much less of a platform for unchallenged bigotry.

    It appears that was only temporary. The sewer of Stuff comments is back ...

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115044220/tough-struggle-on-road-to-pacific-islands-forum-climate-communique

    I don't know if this is a deliberate policy decision, or just dropping the ball, but it's a sad sight. Especially as the website overall still delivers some of NZ's best daily journalism.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    re: Dropping the ball…
    I note above one of the perils of employing older caption subs at Stuff
    - a screen shot from a recent Aldous Harding story

    Forgive them, for they know too much…
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to ,

    Here is a link to Russell’s Internet of things articles.

    ...and not one mention of Moore's Law - that is restraint.
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Is it now time to curb the dangerous levels of bile and other toxic emissions spewing into our ears from the likes of of Hosking, Garner and Richardson (among others)? - using their now aptly titled 'Bully Pulpits'* to bully and belittle a 16 year old girl - who is merely asking the adults to look at what the adult scientists are saying, the fact that they are ashamed of their stance aside they deflect and derail,
    What heroes!
    What are they doing or thinking?

    see
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116095287/just-because-greta-thunbergs-16-it-doesnt-make-her-wrong?rm=a
    and
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/116115144/duncan-garner-told-off-by-amanda-gillies-over-onair-treatment-of-greta-thunberg
    and
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/116106105/greta-thunberg-shames-bullies-for-mocking-her


    * to think that 'Bully' used to mean 'good'!

    and WTF with Boris Johnson saying 'going through with Brexit would honour the murdered MP Jo Cox' - it would only 'honour' the wishes of her murderer - I want to leave the Through the Looking Glass World we find ourselves or at least try and fix it.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    I couldn't agree more Ian. The last couple of days have been good for us serious news junkies. Finally the right wing pretenders on both sides of the Atlantic are both being unmasked in public.

    Johnson is going down trailing the most spectacular, Bullingdon-coloured flames. "Bring on the pig!" And it blows me away that despite the multiple crimes he has committed since taking office and for at least four decades prior, the actual thing Trump will go down for is trying to bribe the president of Ukraine to investigate two completely fruitloop conspiracy theories.

    Irony lives.

    Since the mosque shootings our little country has changed as well, mostly for the better. The level of public support for both the gun buyback and the general crackdown on right-wing extremists feels like a breath of fresh air. As a country we have united against racial hatred. Kiwis are good at this stuff and it feels good to belong to one of the last functioning democracies in the Western world.

    Even the climate crisis is finally being taking seriously. While it's probably too little too late, at least people are discussing the issue and individuals are increasingly trying to play their part. More than any other person, Greta Thunberg is motivating and raising the awareness of millions of people around the globe. I can't think of a more inspiring person in the world right now. Give her the Nobel already.

    Against this background of growing enlightenment and palpably changing attitudes, it's odd that some of our major media companies seem determined to remain mired in the past. Why would you continue to provide a platform for anachronisms like the hoskings, garner, richardson, hdpa, soper and the rest -- seriously shitty people with bad attitudes? Sense the mood of the crowd, old white media people. Enough of the hate, already.

    As individuals we play our small parts. I haven't visited the Herald since they put up the paywall, not because of the charges but because I refuse to put even a single cent into the pockets of their cabal of offensive pundits. I will not listen to any radio station which airs the same ugly people.

    One day the Herald may be forced adapt and adopt a more enlightened attitude. Until then, they're invisible to me. And that just feels right.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1438 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Alfie,

    As individuals we play our small parts. I haven’t visited the Herald since they put up the paywall, not because of the charges but because I refuse to put even a single cent into the pockets of their cabal of offensive pundits. I will not listen to any radio station which airs the same ugly people.

    One day the Herald may be forced adapt and adopt a more enlightened attitude. Until then, they’re invisible to me. And that just feels right.

    Maybe the Commerce Commission could look into unbundling NZME.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Just a quick note (because I'm not on Twitter) re- Hosking's column today.

    When it was pointed out (by Russell, Chloe Swarbrick, and anyone else who has been awake, ever) that Hosking's rant about clean needles was factually incorrect, the piece got changed.

    No apology from Hosking. As always. And of course, there's no way to change what is either in print or has been broadcast on radio.

    No consequences = no change. That's the NZME model now.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Maybe the Commerce Commission could look into unbundling NZME.

    If they wait another few years there won't be much left.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    The Harold goes all Trump..

    "The tax form showed that in 2017, Chick-fil-A donated $US2500 ($3700) to a controversial left-wing "anti-hate" watchdog that has been accused of smearing Christians and other conservatives with false charges of bigotry.


    Chick-fil-A's donation to the Southern Poverty Law Centre has drawn criticism because the legal advocacy group lists organisations across the US it views as "hate groups" on its website."

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12289529

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Something everybody knew but some pretended not to: the level 4 lockdown was not the real reason Bauer shut down its NZ magazines.

    Today they've shut down the Australian ones too. 70 staff made redundant.

    A few apologies would be in order, I think (but don't expect).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Not the MSM - but a political party, whose messaging looks a little off.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • Shep Cheyenne, in reply to John Farrell,

    That explains how my RSA Facebook feed had a New Conservative slick ANZAC video appear a couple of days age.
    FYI my RSA have also shared British National Party promo veterans videos, before disavowing racism and ending their feeds.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2020 • 24 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    I realize that the PA conversation these days has moved to Twitter and other social media, but I just wanted to make a note of a complaint that I registered with Newshub today.

    On the AM show today, Duncan Garner asked a planted question to Judith Collins. It was provided to him by Collins’ staff. During the day various media outlets have hinted that this is how it happened, with subsequent questions to Collins about her actions, but (sadly) they seem reluctant to make that clear in their reporting. This, of course, is how the players get away with the grubby game. They are not called to account.

    I want to make clear that I am not making a complaint about an interviewer’s bias (always a matter of perception) or joining the general grumbles about “the media”. It is about the essential integrity of the interview process, as practised by Duncan Garner this morning.

    This was not simply a “tip-off” from a source, a common occurrence. A tip-off is (or should be) followed by further enquiries of relevant parties. This was doing Collins’ bidding, unchallenged. When interviewers are complicit in asking questions that have been given to them by a politician’s staff, then they are no longer journalists in any meaningful sense. I do not expect much from Newshub in response, but in any case I thought I would share it here.

    Cheers

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

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