Posts by Moz

  • Hard News: On joining the international…, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    CATATONIC
    STATE

    If you graduate from Darwin University is that a pass or a fail?

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  • Hard News: On joining the international…, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    it's really an attempt to shut down the free speech of the left by

    ... saying anything at all, but in an aggressively hostile way with the aim of intimidating the speaker. The message is "people like me only kill a few people a year, and mostly in the USA. But... would you bet your life on that?"

    We need to keep working to reform the legal system to better dispense justice, so that we can have a civil society. That project is increasingly urgent, as the "I have the right to campaign for genocide" debate shows. As the MSP said back in 1998 "if you tolerate this then your children will be next". I don't like much 'boys with guitars' but political songs speak to me.. give me Chumbawamba over MSP any day.

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  • Hard News: On joining the international…, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    Didn't realise PC was a term of praise - where do join up?

    It's easy - just support people you think are doing the right thing, disagree with those doing the wrong thing, and pretty soon you'll be called a social justice warrior and accused of virtue signalling.

    Yes, exactly: I'm publicly standing up against injustice because I want that to be a common, acceptable thing for everyone to do. Why would anyone *not* want that, other than "lack of injustice to stand against"?

    So many of the terms of abuse that the trolls use are like that that it's often funny. Sadly, much of what they actually do is horribly destructive and the humor is overridden. It's the people who can't spell nazi but still manage to kill someone... "ha ha your sign is wrong" is an inappropriate response.

    The opposite of SJW "I'm an antisocial non-violent campaigner for injustice" is an outdated cliche. We're not dealing with basement-dwelling neckbeards any more, but a well-funded international cadre of anti-liberal, anti-democracy activists.

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  • Hard News: On joining the international…, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Joe, I don't understand your point. You ask for examples of leaving it to someone else not working, the provide an example of direct action working. Or do you mean that the great majority of people left it to someone else and got a good outcome anyway?

    The obvious example I was thinking of was "peace in our time", but you can also see it in Yemen, Palestine and Turkey right now. Or Australia, the US and France if you want to look at concentration camps rather than genocides. Sitting here saying "well, in general we don't approve of genocide, but there would be little benefit to mentioning that and significant cost so we're just going to ignore it". Hence the arrival of kiwis deported from Australia after a certain amount of inhospitality... That Nice Mr Key barely raised a whimper.

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  • Hard News: On joining the international…, in reply to Simon Honiss,

    100% agree why should Maori have to do the heavy lifting

    Leaving it to someone else has historically not worked out well with this particular politics. Maori can of course sit back and say "not our problem", but I think there's an argument to be made that in fact nazis want to make themselves a problem for Maori.

    It might be better to work together to minimise the damage.

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  • Hard News: On joining the international…,

    BTW, in Australia it should be a very different debate. As I said in response to one "oh noes, the racists are coming" blog post:

    We have people on the ABC and almost every media outlet defending concentration camps, we have secret courts using secret evidence to imprison Australians without letting them defend themselves*, we have widespread public agreement that sending the Australian military in to take aboriginal children away from their parents is a good idea, we send refugees back to their country of origin where they “disappear”… and you’re worried about foreign fascists?

    I think you need to very clearly explain how their views differ from those of our Prime Minister and why only foreigners should be no-platformed.

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  • Hard News: On joining the international…,

    Yeah, per linger "it would have been great if" is not even slightly the same things as "we should have forced", especially when done after the event. I don't recall any effort to persuade a marae to host, put it that way.

    To me it's more of a moderately amusing thought experiment after the fact. And it's not my place to suggest that stuff especially since my only experience of being a "minority" is living in a suburb that's mostly muslim, but doing that in a country that is overtly anti-muslim means that it's the sort of technical minority status I also get from being male.

    In a somewhat rare turn of events, a local TV station interviewed one of them in Lakemba (that bit is unsurprising) ... but when she said something blatantly untrue and stupid, the interviewer pulled her up on it. The clip is circulating right now because it does very effectively make the point that the nazi is also a very stable genius. "there's no pub in Lakemba" ... "the Lakemba Hotel is just over there" {mic drop}.

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  • Hard News: On joining the international…,

    Tim Watkin has a good point at The Pundit: it would have been great if a marae had offered to host them.

    https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/good-is-a-conversation-what-nzs-weekend-of-division-should-teach-us

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  • Hard News: A cannabis moment in the Parliament, in reply to simon g,

    Here in PA World (or even Shane Reti’s world) we might like to envisage an informed debate by reasonable people

    I think the trick is, and what we're actually seeing, is to get the reasonable people to come up with a proposal that they all think is likely to work. Then reverse the Brexit-style game of chicken by essentially daring the looneys to come out and oppose the consensus bill. We all know that some of them will, but it's being carefully set up so that it will be very hard to not come across as a wrecker and an idiot. A bunch of very measured doctors and lawyers say (in their very best Geoffrey Palmer manner) "on balance we believe this proposal..." {snoring noises}... meanwhile the opposition is reduced to the wingnut end of talkback radio "today on XSFM we have a neo-nazi, a convicted pedophile and some opposing the cannibis bill"

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  • Hard News: Reassure Me: cannabis,…, in reply to Dennis Frank,

    use public meetings in our biggest cities

    That actively avoids the whole "representative sample" part of the process though. In multiple ways. But it does favour opinionated, older, whiter, richer people... who are already over-repersented in the political processes. It would be more reasonable to exclude them on the basis that their preferences are already amply present.

    I like the citizen's jury process because it involves a degree to conscription so it's much more likely to give a spectrum of responses. By the same token, though, it's more expensive and requires more organisation (you really need to pay the jurors rather than just compensating them for their costs).

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