Speaker: Are there opportunities within the Government’s childhood obesity plan?
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Rosemary McDonald, in reply to
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Russell Brown, in reply to
But if you concentrate on exercise, there’ll be health benefits for most people, whether or not they lose any weight. Surely that’s preferable.
It's very difficult to lose weight through exercise alone.
But perhaps we could all go out and enjoy the sunshine today.
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I had a vision yesterday of Bruce Willis walking through Harlem in Die Hard 2 with a racially inflammatory sign on his back. You can't blame people for responding but someone had to do everyone concerned a favour and make him stop.
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Danielle, in reply to
It’s very difficult to lose weight through exercise alone.
Your sentence is three words too long. :)
Also, thanks, Ben: that clarified things and now I am driven slightly less nuts. By your post, anyway. ;)
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Rosemary McDonald, in reply to
But perhaps we could all go out and enjoy the sunshine today.
Remember to slip, slop, slap.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/288389/antarctic-ozone-hole-grows
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BenWilson, in reply to
If it was as simple as ‘energy in, energy out’, then everybody’s results would be the same.
Sort of. It is that simple, but finding how much energy went in and how much went out is very difficult and inaccurate, particularly in short term calculations.
Also, of course, there's way, way more to health than weight. So we have to factor in those other concerns. Of course you'll lose weight really fast if you starve yourself. That's also extremely unhealthy. Even if you have a "healthy" weight that you maintain you could still have a very unhealthy diet, and could have very poor cardiovascular health too. But given that one wants to do something about one's weight, of course the energy equation is important.
It’s very difficult to lose weight through exercise alone.
Yes, food makes up the lion's share of the energy equation. We can eat far more than we can exercise, easily. We're evolved that way, probably because there's huge survival advantage in it. We're damned efficient animals, part
But perhaps we could all go out and enjoy the sunshine today.
I'm gonna whale on my quads and abs, personally. It's indicative of your prior point that the total energy burn of an hour of doing that, with all the muscle soreness that will follow, is worth about 1 muesli bar. I exercise to be healthy. For weight loss, I control my diet. Others can do as they please, but
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Angela Hart, in reply to
Labour wants to both change the environment and encourage exercise in the young:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/289097/labour-reveals-plan-to-tackle-obesity -
Danielle, in reply to
Yeah, there are quite a number of conditions and medications that cause hard-to-shift weight gain in some people, including anti-depressants, the contraceptive pill, and polycystic ovarian syndrome.
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Sacha, in reply to
(by the way, this system needs a clear space after a link - not punctuation like the full stop you added)
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Something also missing from Labour's policy (though I'm glad they plan to tackle the sugar-peddlers): I'd like to see every school have growing, preparing and sharing good food as part of their core curriculum. Impressed by the current programmes that send healthy cooking done by the students home with them to influence family expectations. Or sell it to students for lunch to finance the next round of crops and other ingredients. Could even include local community experts to showcase different cultures' cuisine and increase understanding of our diverse society.
'Healthy Eating, Healthy Action' was a much more positive tagline than anything with the phrase 'childhood obesity'. Shame the PM's science advisor has been so focused on pregnant women and that seeking to control and punish beneficiaries comes so naturally for the Nats.
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Rosemary McDonald, in reply to
And the kids actually engage with the food. Own it. See it grow. Tend and nurture the plants. Watch the bees do their thing. Get to taste how much better home grown vegies taste.
I'd have a few chooks, feed them the lunch scraps and put the chook poo on the garden. Use the eggs to make fresh veg frittata.
All good.
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Angela Hart, in reply to
mea culpa
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
My objection to that is mainly value-for-money.
If only there were drive-through chippies. Or kebabs, etc.Nice idea, but made-to-order and drive thru generally don't mix. Unless the drive-thru was incredibly long.
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Sacha, in reply to
Thank you.
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Hi all, I've not posted here before. I like to think I'm open to people's diverse points of view (whether I agree with them or not) because I believe that is the only way to come to shared understanding, empathy and ultimately working towards solutions that have a chance of working. I've worked on social policy for many years - some where the public have been dragged along kicking and screaming, and others that take a softly softly approach. I won't go into those here. What I wanted to say is I am shocked at the treatment this group has meted out to Katharine Moody - in my world this is called bullying. I should state I don't know her or necessarily agree with everything she said.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Thank you Katharine.
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Mary?
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chris, in reply to
Katharine’s more recent posts aren’t showing.
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Hi all. I put Katharine’s posts on moderation on Friday. I’ve switched that off again, but I don’t seem to have got the email to release this one she posted today (in response to Sacha:
how do your friends react when you dole out advice like this?
Hi folks. Sorry about the other night. This question was the one that really stopped me in my tracks. The answer is I didn’t – I didn’t say anything, She was my best friend and I didn’t try to help her – her diabetes and size were (until very close to the end) an unspoken thing between us. When it came her time to need dialysis, she choose not to commence that treatment.
Our friendship was a lovely story with a tragic ending.
Funny thing is, until Sacha asked me this question, I didn’t even realise why I was so desperate to try and get my point across. So again, sorry, I behaved badly but maybe Karen was with me in that moment. I don’t know.
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I don't know Katharine either, however I was linked with her in some of the negative comments.
An observation.
Methinks folk are not always properly reading and comprehending the comments of others.
Much less reading the links that are provided, or even quotes from links.
Perhaps, before launching in outraged attacks, one could ask for clarification of a comment one finds offensive?
And Katharine...I got that this topic was of personal significance to you.
Your friend was with you....Memory, used properly, is a powerful thing.
"Doomed to repeat.." and all that.
FWIW...we're collectively in the deepest of smelly stuff....and the tide is rising.
Shit-slinging is not helping.
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Katharine, I don't think you did anything so seriously wrong that brought on that reaction from others. But thanks for sharing your personal trigger. I still think you were bullied. It is common in my experience that the person bullied feels the need to 'apologise' . Maybe the others in that thread might reflect on their own comments and take a deep breath, say sorry and all move forward on this complex issue that impacts across all of society? just a thought.
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Lilith __, in reply to
Maybe the others in that thread might reflect on their own comments
Like the two moderators who told her to stop?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Katharine, I don’t think you did anything so seriously wrong that brought on that reaction from others. But thanks for sharing your personal trigger. I still think you were bullied. It is common in my experience that the person bullied feels the need to ‘apologise’ .
I am very aware of these things and while I thought some of the response was unhelpful, the main problem was Katharine not being able to stop hammering her point. For reasons I don't really want to go into, some of the things she said were insensitive and hurtful to others. I'm sure this wasn't intentional.
I'm impressed with the clarity and sincerity of what she's said and as far as I'm concerned the matter is settled. If people think the issue itself is talked out, I'm happy to close the thread.
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Danielle, in reply to
Please do. I think I've had as many important life lessons from this thread as I can comfortably bear.
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Megan Wegan, in reply to
It might also be worth bearing in mind that the "helpful" advice fat people get on a literal daily basis is also bullying.
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