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  • Danielle, in reply to Vaughan little,

    Yeah. Man ban is bullshit. I’d have been happy with a target of at least a third of caucus members being female.

    That's magnanimous. I wouldn't have been.

    PS, peeps: the John Oliver clip is from Last Week Tonight, not the Daily Show.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Electoral rolls are scrutinised to identify voters who have voted more than once, and to compile a list of all people who have voted (the Master Roll).

    So any double votes would be detected at that stage, and any attempts at personation would inevitably result in double votes (where the perpetrators thought somebody wasn't voting, but they did).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • tussock, in reply to Emma Hart,

    We have a fantastic culture of making it as easy as possible for people to vote

    Speaking of: prisoners are mostly poor men, poor men mostly vote Labour, convicted all taken off the enrolment, ... I know it wouldn't have mattered, but there's a lot less enrolled people this time, eh.

    We make it easy for most people to vote, and impossible for a random, about eighty thousand convictions per year. How many never got back on?

    Since Nov 2006 • 607 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Alfie,

    Do you have a reference for that, Mike?

    Here you go.

    the yes campaign itself had intervened on Twitter on Thursday night to reassure voters that there was nothing awry with the Dundee footage.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Not The Messiah,

    A new leader is just falling for the trap once again.

    you'd think (if you do)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Thanks Emma! That explains the piles on the table. The other two clips in the video still look dodgy though.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1381 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Sacha,

    I might or I might not.
    Thinking is fine, verbalising thoughts can get you into a power of poo, especially when Politics is raised.
    Apparently the old saying about P and R must still be true as I am knee deep in it.
    You might think that we would have grown out of that by now. I may well do.
    But then I am just a very naughty boy.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Mike Graham,

    Attachment

    Electorate v Party vote scatter plot – in many respects the pattern hasn’t changed much from the previous election. A bit small to read - the Y axis is the Electorate vote, X axis the Party vote. The plot on the right is 2014, the left is 2011 and I think you can work out the colours.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Vaughan little,

    a sudden 45% floor from out of nowhere.

    So, when this came up, Labour was about 1 female MP away from that anyway. Also, the "man ban" slam was coined to describe allowing Labour Electorate Committees to choose to have a female only shortlist if they wanted. If they wanted. AFAIK, no LEC voted to do this. The whole thing was a massive fucking Slater-initiated beatup, and since no one seems to have predicted that would happen or work out with caucus and the leader what their response would be, there was no way to hose it down with the boring facts.

    "From out of nowhere" basically isn't the case.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    Also, the “man ban” slam was coined to describe allowing Labour Electorate Committees to choose to have a female only shortlist if they wanted. If they wanted.

    Incidentally, a policy also suggested by the UK Conservative Party, which is concerned about its lack of women MPs.

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    It didn't help that the membership involvement in selection reform had been whittled down to nothing and NZ Council was trying a blatant power grab elsewhere in the proposals.

    None of the proposals saw anything as vulgar as a vote at any regional conferences, which meant that a lot of people were astonished at how little support the proposals had within the Party when they first met resistance. The coalition to take them the reforms through the party / public just wasn't built.

    It was a really shocking way of handling major and important reforms, and was not good work by NZ Council & the Party President.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Meyers, in reply to Alfie,

    The other footage of the man writing on the ballot papers is also explained in the Guardian article linked.

    At times, uncounted ballots would be placed on tables that had yes or no signs attached before being sorted, she said. And piles that didn’t reach round numbers of 50 or 100 would be wrapped in a piece of paper on which the total number of votes would be written, explaining the Edinburgh footage.

    I'm a little surprised that there is no recount of the ballots done on the Scottish referendum. It's not even possible to ask for a recount.

    It seems that the NZ election has a complete recount before the final result is announced 4 October which makes me a lot more confident in the process.

    Wellington • Since May 2014 • 56 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    since no one seems to have predicted that would happen

    and there's your problem

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    The whole thing was a massive fucking Slater-initiated beatup

    And all our angsting about what precisely was so terrible about Labour and the Greens seems to be completely ignoring this aspect of things. I'm sure that Labour did, in fact, suck in many respects, but what did we just spend a month reading and discussing, people? How the Nats used Slater and colluded with some of our media to smear political opponents! I mean, call me crazy, but until that's sorted all our coulda shoulda woulda seems a bit forest-for-the-trees.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Danielle,

    I mean, call me crazy, but until that’s sorted all our coulda shoulda woulda seems a bit forest-for-the-trees.

    Yes, hence Mark Taslov having a hissy fit all over the place. What has been what I consider major corruption in this country has been swiped out of discussion to say how bad the opposition have done. The Granny to day is just one big turd. What looked like epiphany for some reporters and mea culpa for others has resorted straight back to what was happening a month ago. Slater is still there, Ede has decided to resign, (key would have kept him) Collins is back, and yadda yadda yadda.
    Soo, back to Labour are useless then .... yay KDC is gone, Hone is gone. How about that rugby, oh my bad, it's the flag this week.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Danielle,

    I’m sure that Labour did, in fact, suck in many respects, but what did we just spend a month reading and discussing, people?

    I’m not going to bother to rehash my feelings about the really sucky things the Labour Party did in the attempt to gain supreme power. Slater had no influence over the way I voted. I voted for Kriss faafoi. See what I did?

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4306 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    How about that rugby,

    I hear a drugby player got so pissed, he missed a flight to somewhere foreign where they fancies their chances against the.... what was their name again??
    That’ll keep peoples talking for a good long while

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Danielle,

    and there are other threads here about that.
    in the media, not so much

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Sacha,

    and there are other threads here about that.
    in the media, not so much

    OMG, the media don’t conduct much forensic analysis on what’s been reported in the news!

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4306 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Grevers, in reply to Steve Parks,

    They hadn’t determined the exact time frame, but there was always going to be a window to sell such an inherited asset CGT free, to avoid this very problem.

    "Dad just died!"
    "Oh dear, do you you need me to contact a funeral director?"
    "No, a real estate agent, we only have ninety days to sell the house!"

    Ok, I know that it won't really be like that, as it would have to date from probate being granted at the earliest. And, unless the timeframe is really generous like 12-18 months, it makes whether or not you pay CGT at the whim of the property market in your time and location. Doer-uppers in Lumsden are probably slow to sell.

    New Plymouth • Since Jul 2011 • 143 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Grevers, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Apparently the most common cause of double voting is that electoral officials go around the rest homes in advance collecting votes, then, come election day, the kids turn up and say "We're here to take you down to vote, Mum."
    "Oh, I think I already have.."
    "Nah, can't be, c'mon." (aside) "Told you she's losing it".
    Naturally, these cases aren't prosecuted.

    New Plymouth • Since Jul 2011 • 143 posts Report Reply

  • krothville,

    Cunliffe should have just said 'a year' right off the bat when asked. A year sounds reasonable at least, whereas a month is a much harder sell.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Grevers, in reply to Danielle,

    I’m sure that Labour did, in fact, suck in many respects, but what did we just spend a month reading and discussing, people? How the Nats used Slater and colluded with some of our media to smear political opponents! I mean, call me crazy, but until that’s sorted all our coulda shoulda woulda seems a bit forest-for-the-trees.

    Eggzackerly.

    Today's Tui billboard: dotcom@parliament.govt.nz - is bollocks. How many people did the Act/National machine mislead into thinking KDC was on the Intermana party list?
    Here's an idea: We have an independent electoral arbitrator. If one party attempts disinformation about another's record/policies during the campaign, that party lays a complaint, and the arbitrator decides within 24-48 hours. If he decides against the defendant, they have to make an official retraction. Gosh, we might need about twenty of them!

    New Plymouth • Since Jul 2011 • 143 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Richard Grevers,

    “Dad just died!”“Oh dear, do you you need me to contact a funeral director?”“No, a real estate agent, we only have ninety days to sell the house!”

    This is a great joke. It should catch on. needs tweetin' for those that do it.
    LOL! :))
    Not quite that but,
    My mum died and 3 months later I take our house off the Market. Never thought of it like that. But, I'm happy to sell ours in a month or so, even if capital gains was taxed but it wouldn't as it's my family home. My Mum and Dad's (partially mine now.) can stay until the last family member goes. It's for family. There is nothing wrong with contributing to make society fair. It's only the selfish or greedy that seem to have a problem

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to David Hood,

    What that says to me is the swing was in favour of keeping the Government honest. And they nearly got there.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

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