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Hard News: The sole party of government

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  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Steve Parks,

    The absurdity of it is that the Greens are barely more left than Labour.

    I would say they were to the right of Labour, in a traditional sense, because the power behind the Greens are the children of the comfortable middle classes that have the time to care about the subjective, whereas traditional Labour supporters are the struggling poor and the exploited workers. Its a Class thing.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Not The Messiah,

    Are there many people these days without ID of some sort? ( I don’t know ) I would have thought pretty much everyone would have something – drivers licence seems a good start?

    Thing is, voting ID laws always disenfranchise people, and disproportionately those people are poor and brown. That's why the Republicans love them so much. So surely, there should have to be an actual problem with voter fraud before you'd do that? We have a fantastic culture of making it as easy as possible for people to vote, and I'd hate to lose that.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Thanks for that Paul - I really did not know ( should have looked that one up myself ). I don't support this level of enforcement myself. It was intended as just an another observation.

    It is a pity that in NZ, that for many reasons, almost 1/4 of the voting public choose ( or have just been put off ) not to vote. To some degree us voters may well inherit an unwanted government by virtue of this. Something like this happened a few days ago from memory.

    Carrying this discussion further I really look forward to John signing us up to TPPA as soon as possible so we can get our microchip implants.
    I don't drink Tui but I may just be forced to, by whatever Mutli-National that owns it and most other NZ breweries now.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Totally agree.

    Slightly off topic but there seems to be a whole lot coming out of Scotland about voting irregularities ( fraud, vote counting oddities, deceased people voting etc.. who knows ).
    I dread to think that this could happen here.

    Thanks Emma

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • kiwicmc, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    I think the number of countries with compulsory voting is pretty small, Wikipedia lists ~30 if which only 11 actually enforce the law

    Australia being one of them - I copped a $55 fine for not voting in the local council elections the other year....

    Auckland, New Zealand • Since May 2008 • 88 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to BenWilson,

    All those people will have made a conscious decision at some point to be on the Maori roll - so why do that and then not vote?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    so why do that and then not vote?

    Because the Foreshore and Seabed issue pales into insignificance under National?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to kiwicmc,

    I think the number of countries with compulsory voting is pretty small, Wikipedia lists ~30 if which only 11 actually enforce the law

    Australia being one of them – I copped a $55 fine for not voting in the local council elections the other year….

    Some years back I saw figures that appeared to prove that the proportion of Australian non-voters who were actually prosecuted was tiny. If so, bad luck in being made an example of and “thrashed with a feather”, as someone once put it.

    The two Australians I knew who said they intended to vote for Pauline Hansen’s One Nation claimed they did so simply to give the finger to the major parties. They weren’t particularly interested in politics, and happily agreed that Hansen was mad. I believe that her fleeting success was very much a creature of compulsory voting.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4592 posts Report Reply

  • kiwicmc, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    More of a parking fine style arrangement then an actual prosecution. Both my wife and I got them, seemed to be pretty automated...

    Auckland, New Zealand • Since May 2008 • 88 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

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    For those following, I have updated my chart to include the special votes (which I had thought were included in the "total votes counted", but clearly not). I will revise again once they've been counted.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to kiwicmc,

    More of a parking fine style arrangement then an actual prosecution. Both my wife and I got them, seemed to be pretty automated…

    Things are probably tighter these days, but returning to sender with ‘gone interstate’ scrawled on the envelope used to do the trick :)

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4592 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    It occurs to me that one thing Labour desperately need to do in the next three years is to visibly, cheerfully, and consistently cooperate with the Greens -- to show that together they form a viable Opposition, and prove that one day they could form a viable government.

    Which may be difficult given the incumbents Labour will be lumbered with.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1923 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    I see our sole party of government is sticking to the Big, Important Issues. Keep 'em doped with house prices and flags and TV...

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Not The Messiah,

    Slightly off topic but there seems to be a whole lot coming out of Scotland about voting irregularities ( fraud, vote counting oddities, deceased people voting etc.. who knows ).

    My son in the UK just sent me this link which shows some pretty blatant vote manipulation.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1428 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Bay of Plenty voters have taken to the polls. Find out which biscuit triumphed in the annual nationwide biscuit election.

    Finally, something really important.
    Whatevs...

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Finally, something really important.

    Oh but I have more important than yours. Such a dedicated follower of fashion is our Johnny
    I'd rather puke with Johnny Rotten.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Alfie,

    blatant vote manipulation.

    Couldn't happen here of course, we have honesty and transparency and rank highly in international surveys on corruption.
    /crickets...

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I'd rather puke with Johnny Rotten.

    I'd rather you put the kettle on and made a cup of tea.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    I have updated my chart to include the special votes

    That EBDNV party took a solid second...
    they'll stand for anything, apparently.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Meyers, in reply to Alfie,

    The "Yes votes on the No table" conspiracy seems to have been pretty thoroughly debunked since they were apparently votes waiting to be counted.

    Also, I don't know what the process in the UK is but that sort of counting "fraud" would be difficult to achieve here as all results from election night are checked by a recount over the next two weeks as detailed here.

    Wellington • Since May 2014 • 56 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Alfie,

    Hi Alfie
    I had seen another video with the first lady moving yes votes into no piles. The rest does make you wonder??
    Of course the answer will probably be that these videos are fakes or whatever. Maybe they are?
    I don't know if there is a second tier of vote checking after the initial sorting.
    On other questionable voting issues coming out are that some counties or towns had early polls as showing the Yes as being somewhere up around high 60-70% then on the day the No's were around 60%. All very interesting.
    Cheers.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    What about votes not cast. Once the poll closes the uncast votes could be cast on behalf of a scrutineer perhaps? Just as that guy was filling out forms for the referendum in Scotland. That was blatantly obvious. A bit of checking who was looking then KAPOW! BAM! NO!

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    Interesting though that if this is the case and they were votes waiting to be counted then why have a separate Yes and No piles. Maybe there is an answer for that too. We will never know.
    Come hell or high water the No vote was always going to win - too much at stake for UK to lose on this one.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to linger,

    Yes indeed. It pees me off the way the Media are hounding prospective leaders and almost forcing a Leader contest. It is divisive and most likely what is wanted by the media and other vested interests.
    Leaders should be the last thing on Labour’s mind and some potentials are saying just that, but the media just keep on.
    When the whole election came down to personality above politics it seems best to get away from that and look at just went wrong for Labour. Seems by far the important issue.
    Involve some of the Greens if needed – their twin leadership model works well for them and Labour Green do need to work in unison. A new leader is just falling for the trap once again.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    The "Yes votes on the No table" conspiracy seems to have been pretty thoroughly debunked since they were apparently votes waiting to be counted.

    Do you have a reference for that, Mike?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1428 posts Report Reply

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