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Hard News: The sole party of government

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  • Chris Waugh,

    I see our sole party of government is sticking to the Big, Important Issues. Keep 'em doped with house prices and flags and TV...

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Not The Messiah,

    Slightly off topic but there seems to be a whole lot coming out of Scotland about voting irregularities ( fraud, vote counting oddities, deceased people voting etc.. who knows ).

    My son in the UK just sent me this link which shows some pretty blatant vote manipulation.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Bay of Plenty voters have taken to the polls. Find out which biscuit triumphed in the annual nationwide biscuit election.

    Finally, something really important.
    Whatevs...

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Finally, something really important.

    Oh but I have more important than yours. Such a dedicated follower of fashion is our Johnny
    I'd rather puke with Johnny Rotten.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Alfie,

    blatant vote manipulation.

    Couldn't happen here of course, we have honesty and transparency and rank highly in international surveys on corruption.
    /crickets...

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I'd rather puke with Johnny Rotten.

    I'd rather you put the kettle on and made a cup of tea.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    I have updated my chart to include the special votes

    That EBDNV party took a solid second...
    they'll stand for anything, apparently.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Meyers, in reply to Alfie,

    The "Yes votes on the No table" conspiracy seems to have been pretty thoroughly debunked since they were apparently votes waiting to be counted.

    Also, I don't know what the process in the UK is but that sort of counting "fraud" would be difficult to achieve here as all results from election night are checked by a recount over the next two weeks as detailed here.

    Wellington • Since May 2014 • 56 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Alfie,

    Hi Alfie
    I had seen another video with the first lady moving yes votes into no piles. The rest does make you wonder??
    Of course the answer will probably be that these videos are fakes or whatever. Maybe they are?
    I don't know if there is a second tier of vote checking after the initial sorting.
    On other questionable voting issues coming out are that some counties or towns had early polls as showing the Yes as being somewhere up around high 60-70% then on the day the No's were around 60%. All very interesting.
    Cheers.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    What about votes not cast. Once the poll closes the uncast votes could be cast on behalf of a scrutineer perhaps? Just as that guy was filling out forms for the referendum in Scotland. That was blatantly obvious. A bit of checking who was looking then KAPOW! BAM! NO!

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    Interesting though that if this is the case and they were votes waiting to be counted then why have a separate Yes and No piles. Maybe there is an answer for that too. We will never know.
    Come hell or high water the No vote was always going to win - too much at stake for UK to lose on this one.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to linger,

    Yes indeed. It pees me off the way the Media are hounding prospective leaders and almost forcing a Leader contest. It is divisive and most likely what is wanted by the media and other vested interests.
    Leaders should be the last thing on Labour’s mind and some potentials are saying just that, but the media just keep on.
    When the whole election came down to personality above politics it seems best to get away from that and look at just went wrong for Labour. Seems by far the important issue.
    Involve some of the Greens if needed – their twin leadership model works well for them and Labour Green do need to work in unison. A new leader is just falling for the trap once again.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    The "Yes votes on the No table" conspiracy seems to have been pretty thoroughly debunked since they were apparently votes waiting to be counted.

    Do you have a reference for that, Mike?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Vaughan little,

    Yeah. Man ban is bullshit. I’d have been happy with a target of at least a third of caucus members being female.

    That's magnanimous. I wouldn't have been.

    PS, peeps: the John Oliver clip is from Last Week Tonight, not the Daily Show.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Electoral rolls are scrutinised to identify voters who have voted more than once, and to compile a list of all people who have voted (the Master Roll).

    So any double votes would be detected at that stage, and any attempts at personation would inevitably result in double votes (where the perpetrators thought somebody wasn't voting, but they did).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • tussock, in reply to Emma Hart,

    We have a fantastic culture of making it as easy as possible for people to vote

    Speaking of: prisoners are mostly poor men, poor men mostly vote Labour, convicted all taken off the enrolment, ... I know it wouldn't have mattered, but there's a lot less enrolled people this time, eh.

    We make it easy for most people to vote, and impossible for a random, about eighty thousand convictions per year. How many never got back on?

    Since Nov 2006 • 610 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Alfie,

    Do you have a reference for that, Mike?

    Here you go.

    the yes campaign itself had intervened on Twitter on Thursday night to reassure voters that there was nothing awry with the Dundee footage.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Not The Messiah,

    A new leader is just falling for the trap once again.

    you'd think (if you do)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Thanks Emma! That explains the piles on the table. The other two clips in the video still look dodgy though.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Not The Messiah, in reply to Sacha,

    I might or I might not.
    Thinking is fine, verbalising thoughts can get you into a power of poo, especially when Politics is raised.
    Apparently the old saying about P and R must still be true as I am knee deep in it.
    You might think that we would have grown out of that by now. I may well do.
    But then I am just a very naughty boy.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Mike Graham,

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    Electorate v Party vote scatter plot – in many respects the pattern hasn’t changed much from the previous election. A bit small to read - the Y axis is the Electorate vote, X axis the Party vote. The plot on the right is 2014, the left is 2011 and I think you can work out the colours.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Vaughan little,

    a sudden 45% floor from out of nowhere.

    So, when this came up, Labour was about 1 female MP away from that anyway. Also, the "man ban" slam was coined to describe allowing Labour Electorate Committees to choose to have a female only shortlist if they wanted. If they wanted. AFAIK, no LEC voted to do this. The whole thing was a massive fucking Slater-initiated beatup, and since no one seems to have predicted that would happen or work out with caucus and the leader what their response would be, there was no way to hose it down with the boring facts.

    "From out of nowhere" basically isn't the case.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    Also, the “man ban” slam was coined to describe allowing Labour Electorate Committees to choose to have a female only shortlist if they wanted. If they wanted.

    Incidentally, a policy also suggested by the UK Conservative Party, which is concerned about its lack of women MPs.

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1447 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    It didn't help that the membership involvement in selection reform had been whittled down to nothing and NZ Council was trying a blatant power grab elsewhere in the proposals.

    None of the proposals saw anything as vulgar as a vote at any regional conferences, which meant that a lot of people were astonished at how little support the proposals had within the Party when they first met resistance. The coalition to take them the reforms through the party / public just wasn't built.

    It was a really shocking way of handling major and important reforms, and was not good work by NZ Council & the Party President.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Meyers, in reply to Alfie,

    The other footage of the man writing on the ballot papers is also explained in the Guardian article linked.

    At times, uncounted ballots would be placed on tables that had yes or no signs attached before being sorted, she said. And piles that didn’t reach round numbers of 50 or 100 would be wrapped in a piece of paper on which the total number of votes would be written, explaining the Edinburgh footage.

    I'm a little surprised that there is no recount of the ballots done on the Scottish referendum. It's not even possible to ask for a recount.

    It seems that the NZ election has a complete recount before the final result is announced 4 October which makes me a lot more confident in the process.

    Wellington • Since May 2014 • 56 posts Report Reply

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