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Hard News: #NetHui: it's all about you

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  • Megan Wegan, in reply to Sacha,

    Oh, I'd like to see him try.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1275 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Sacha,

    Oh you meant her *blog*, not her home. #lessbrave

    Dude, it's even LESS admirable to turn up at someone's house. That'd be really fucking Not Okay.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    The right have been fighting and winning the class war for years. If you choose not to partake, you're still a victim. (unless you happen to get lucky and wind up on the winning side). Just sayin.

    I respectfully disagree. It is more productive to address what someone is saying than to reflexively exclude them with an insult based on what you thought they said ages ago about a different issue. I just can't be bothered with it, basically.

    And you do realise that by being a frequent and valued commenter here you have fatally aligned yourself with the espresso-swilling bourgoisie? :-)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Megan Wegan,

    I had to acknowledge to myself that I was basically trolling a lot of the time at Kiwiblog. Didn't seem right.

    I too find that hard to believe.

    Mostly taunting, but still often not in good faith.

    I did occasionally unpack the flamethrower -- I thought I'd made Redbaiter cry once -- but I try not to use the power often, or without very good reason.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It is more productive to address what someone is saying than to reflexively exclude them with an insult based on what you thought they said ages ago about a different issue.

    This is my problem with most internet arguments. It's why I hate "mansplaining" and "privilege" and all that wank*. You actually can attack an argument without attacking a person.

    --

    * Very important concepts, rendered mostly useless by people using them to shut out debate.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1275 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to recordari,

    a bit sensitive (no I didn't watch Modern Family

    *Look*. If you're referring to my tweet, the episode was about *motherhood*. And I'm *pregnant*. And... yeah, there's no excuse for that sort of carry-on, really. Pathetic. :)

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Mostly taunting, but still often not in good faith.

    Hey, I figure if David can goad his commenters into saying things he wants them to, a little bit of taunting just fits the tone of the place.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1275 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Megan Wegan,

    Very important concepts, rendered mostly useless by people using them to shut out debate.

    Indeed.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan, in reply to Russell Brown,

    And its kind of proof of how highly I regard this place that I just openly said that. Because I am pretty sure I just sold out the feminist blogosphere. Ah well, most of them already hate me.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1275 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Megan Wegan,

    And its kind of proof of how highly I regard this place that I just openly said that. Because I am pretty sure I just sold out the feminist blogosphere. Ah well, most of them already hate me.

    As you know, I think the use of words as bullying instruments is an unfortunate and destructive feature of parts of the feminist blogosphere. Also, it drives me nuts.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Danielle,

    And... yeah, there's no excuse for that sort of carry-on, really. Pathetic. :)

    Not at all. I wrote a reply fessing up to my own waterworks (Spoiler Alert: have you seen Toy Story 3? I mean when Andy sits down and plays with all the toys... enough), but decided not to for some reason. And I'm reliably informed I'm not pregnant.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    how active and comfortable women are in these forums

    Do you keep stats on the gender breakdown? I do notice that some topics (notably the more political ones) get only a small number of women commenting.

    But yes, I certainly feel very comfortable here.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Emma Hart,

    even LESS admirable to turn up at someone's house

    I'm not suggesting brave = admirable. just heard the word "place" differently. never mind.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Lilith __,

    commenting

    Way more folk read than comment.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to LIISA,

    does anyone think the TPPA is worth the risk/cost

    The benefits go to old-boy interests aligned with National, mainly corporate agriculture.

    The harms fall on folk they don't understand or care much for, like innovators or ordinary people who need medicine and can't afford health insurance. Thank goodness our strong political opposition are sticking up for them, eh.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Also, it drives me nuts.

    Yeah. In fairness, that's not exclusive, by any means, to the feminists. But we do have a lot of words to throw around.

    There was a great example on one of the local blogs recently, (which I won't link to) of someone querying the use of the term mansplaining, and the writer not taking to kindly to it, and basically bullying the commenter into submission.

    Which, if that's the kind of thing you want, why have comments at all?

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1275 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Lilith __,

    I do notice that some topics (notably the more political ones) get only a small number of women commenting.

    For some reason I was thinking about the demographics of the various threads on here over the weekend. Maybe after seeing Russell's tweets and so-forth. FWIW, I avoid the political threads here now. Once bitten, twice shy perhaps. Like that Doberman when I was doing door to door Market Research for Heylen.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan, in reply to recordari,

    I do notice that some topics (notably the more political ones) get only a small number of women commenting.

    I don't, but that's for my own reasons, rather than a comment on the community.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1275 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Megan Wegan,

    Which, if that's the kind of thing you want, why have comments at all?

    So you can have sycophants and Patsies!

    There was a great example on one of the local blogs recently, (which I won't link to) of someone querying the use of the term mansplaining, and the writer not taking to kindly to it, and basically bullying the commenter into submission.

    So they were demonstrating, then?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    I can’t believe I didn’t find time to make more of how active and comfortable women are in these forums, and what a useful influence that is.

    Your hiphop name: LL Cool R.

    Are you sure it's not MC Smoove B?

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to recordari,

    Like that Doberman when I was doing door to door Market Research for Heylen

    was one of the questions, "Do you have a big scary dog?" ;-)

    I don’t, but that’s for my own reasons

    Yeah, I don't mostly because it feels futile to me to argue about politics. We all have our own views that aren't likely to change, and I have no special insights to share.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    "We need you to resist our corruption," he enjoined at one point of a speech that frequently dwelt on the lobbyist-ridden state of US politics

    That's the least of their problems.
    And anyway johnkey is busy selling us to India.
    Keeping those dairy herds growing.....

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to Lilith __,

    "Do you have a big scary dog?" ;-)

    By the time I'd run round the house to find shelter from the rain and startled the poor dog from it's sleep on the back porch, there really wasn't time for questions. I was grateful it was properly tied up though, as I tripped during my escape.

    I'm not trying to draw any parallels here, but this gives me an odd sense of déjà vu.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    Had to look up mansplaining - Didn't know whether to laugh or cry...

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • Jolisa, in reply to 81stcolumn,

    I think I prefer the original term, 'patronising.'

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1472 posts Report Reply

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