Hard News: Conscious Party
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ignore the 2 ad breaks thing, I haven't paid my $500 to get free tv yet. purely web watch here.
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A pox on you OpShop philistines. Here, go educate yourselves.
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2 ad breaks, 3 parts.
No, only one break; two parts. The third part was Simon's Sound Archives report, uploaded to the podcast in error.
first part of this week is russell's intro where here states people "don't want to pay for music". (I don't want to pay for petrol, under the new rules I'm so glad I don't have to)
Oi. The actual line was:
But while there's more music available than ever, the value of sales falls every year: maybe people don't want to buy music any more.
So how about subscription services: listen to all the music you can eat for a small monthly fee?
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You're right Craig, they could well have. But every National MP?
Well, Stuart, our host might me a little more up on the state of the play but I rather doubt John Key got an invite for "you + your bird + da whole Natz Posse". :) Putting my Miss Manners hat on, D-list celebutards show up at the opening of a bottle of cough mixture, whether they're invited or not. Members of the House of Representatives? Bad form.
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OK, biting... how are they the aural equiv. of Vigil? You don't care for the sleeting, grey looonely skyscape and brooding hills motif of Mr Ward?
While I admire the man's persistence and technical elan, his work tends to be a wee bit too cinema of unease for my blood. Rain of the Children stunning. I'd put down Map of the Human Heart and River Queen as noble failures; What Dreams May Come as unspeakable shit. But Vigil and The Navigator? Pretentious bores.
But I digress - call me a superficial queen, but I like angst you can dance (badly) to.
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No, only one break; two parts.
Ok, I get that theres a "mistake" and the third part of the podcast is bogus.....
But the first part is 2:31 long, and the second is 9.05...
I'm assuming something is missing rather than the program's been shortened :)
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More or less OT, but thought it might be of interest:
Pip Brown talks about clothes, and Aspergers Syndrome. -
The evening began with a moving musical tribute to the late Mahinarangi Tocker. One of our regulars here, Jackie Clark, was Mahinarangi's friend and sister in law, and she can be assured that the spirit of that tribute flowed through the evening.
Thanks for that, Russell. I know that her daughter, her partner and one of her sisters were there last night, and found it very moving. Like Craig said, it would be nice if she had had that recognition whilst she was alive, however it's lovely that it's happening for her now.
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Thanks for that, Russell. I know that her daughter, her partner and one of her sisters were there last night, and found it very moving.
You know what was lovely, apart from the music? The accompanying slide show. There were some wonderful pictures of her in performance, with her generous, beaming smile.
I only met Mahinarangi once or twice, but damned if I wasn't teary-eyed by the end of that.
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Yup, she was like that, alright. I still bawl about once a week for her, and I really only knew her for the last 15 years or so of her life.
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Ok, I get that theres a "mistake" and the third part of the podcast is bogus.....
But the first part is 2:31 long, and the second is 9.05...
I'm assuming something is missing rather than the program's been shortened :)
Yeah the pod cast links are missing the second half of the discussion and simons pounds national radio thing.
They are on youtube after the simon pound article but that segment is missing from the podcast links. -
But while there's more music available than ever, the value of sales falls every year: maybe people don't want to buy music any more.
Are implying that they want to steal it, or implying they're no longer interested in it?
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the Trons have in fact been invited to Paris to play a Mercedes corporate do
Which Greg will be finding hugely amusing, given that he is a huge fan of that somewhat more down-to-earth vehicle, the Hillman Superminx (there were six in various states of repair in the backyard when I flatted with him).
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But I digress - call me a superficial queen, but I like angst you can dance (badly) to.
I haven't seen half the cinema I'd like for years - comes of exiling oneself to the sticks - and when I've got a spare couple of weeks I'd like to watch the new Ward one, plus Vigil & River Queen. He's such a painter - not really a storyteller. Maybe the whole cinema of unease thing is something to react against now - i think there's plenty of humour & vivacity to be found in our history, whole 'other' ways to represent it that haven't been much tapped.
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Maybe the whole cinema of unease thing is something to react against now
Sometime back, whilst being interviewed on Nat Radio, Sam Neill revised his 'cinema of unease' notion (which was always a problem), to talk of NZ film-making entering a new phase of "cinema at ease"--in the wake of 'feel-good' features like No. 2 and Sione's Wedding. I have quoted him on this, as in the resource on NZ film I co-authored with Sandra Chesterman, for the NZ Film Comm.
If you get a chance, do get to Apron Strings--a cheeerful and often quite touching portrayal of a multicultural New Zealand,
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Russell--having predicted the election date, do you have any inside gen on who is playing at Big Day Out 2009 (other than Neil Young, possibly)??
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Members of the House of Representatives? Bad form.
In an election year? Pull the other one, it's French.
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I was pleased to see the discussion of charging the ISP's for access to online music. It has always struck me as strange that people think they're getting access to music (an TV shows etc) for free from the net. To do a lot of that sort of downloading I would have to pay my ISP for more bandwidth than I currently do.
While watching media7 I then started wondering if charging ISPs would mean some people would be paying for access to music they didn't want. But then I figured we would probably still pay for the amount of bandwidth we used one way or another.
Also, I guess there would be an easy way of the ISP paying the music makers for music accessed?
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On Backbenchers this week, Keith Locke also predicted the election date as November 8. He looked pretty confident about it.
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Is Black Sheep "cinema of unease"?
I'd be uneasy if being chased by a carnivorous genetically engineered sheep.
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Also, I guess there would be an easy way of the ISP paying the music makers for music accessed?
You mean on a precise "Carolyn downloaded Crazy Frog, send Harald Faltermeyer 10c" basis? Not really. They'd have to drill down into your traffic and work out what's going on. If a download site used encryption or an obscure protocol, then that wouldn't work. Plus it would be expensive and a privacy invasion.
It could be done on a statistical basis, like APRA payments, and that has been frequently proposed.
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Maybe the whole cinema of unease thing is something to react against now - i think there's plenty of humour & vivacity to be found in our history, whole 'other' ways to represent it that haven't been much tapped.
Sure, and I was pleasantly surprised to see Goodbye, Pork Pie -- it's pretty rough, and (inevitably) parts of it have aged about as well as my butt, but you can watch it without cringing.
Sometime back, whilst being interviewed on Nat Radio, Sam Neill revised his 'cinema of unease' notion (which was always a problem)
But to be fair to Neil, wasn't the whole thesis of 'Cinema of Unease' at least partially intended to be provocative and a personal reflection on New Zealand cinema. If my memory serves, it was commissioned by the BFI as part of the same series as Martin Scorsese's wonderful (and 3 3/4 hours long) __A Personal Journey Through American Movies__ -- which is exactly what it says on the tin, folks.
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I was pleased to see the discussion of charging the ISP's for access to online music
although it was hardly touched on on the program peter jenner's has a lot of really intelligent things to say on the ISP thing. I was lucky enough to hear him deliver a speech on it and have a chat to him a couple of days before the program.
He said ISPs have been charging customers for access to content but not passing any of that income derived from access to content on to the people who own it. ie you pay substantially more the more your download, much more than it costs to deliver the service to you so there for they are collection money for the amount of content you consume but essentially keeping it all. Peter said he felt that ISPs knew this and were riding it as long as they could before someone forced the issue.
It is starting to be forced in the UK with the govt insisting that ISPs and content owners get together and sort it out.How a content owner would get to receive their 20 cents has yet to be establish but there are many possibilities ranging from the majors taking it all and keeping to pages with content on it sending a msg to an aggrigator when its content is accessed and increasing the credit on the appropriate account.
some figures.
Peter said in the UK that if 1- 3 pounds per month of an individual's internet connection fee was put toward paying for content then the combined total based on the number of people currently with accounts in the UK would equal the present combined income from music sales. about 600 million pounds if I remember correctly.
The point being that a small easy payment makes the problem go away. no need for illegal anything any more cos everyone's being taken care of.Those figures don't take into account other content like films and tv though but its a good idea and a step in the right direction.
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although it was hardly touched on on the program peter jenner's has a lot of really intelligent things to say on the ISP thing.
But how long have these things been argued and, like DRM, battled against by the major label recording industry. Like the death of DRM, the RIAA and other associated bodies have fought tooth and nail against these for half a decade, meanwhile alienating customers. I wonder how much it's actually cost them and the acts they represent.
Peter said in the UK that if 1- 3 pounds per month of an individual's internet connection fee was put toward paying for content then the combined total based on the number of people currently with accounts in the UK would equal the present combined income from music sales. about 600 million pounds if I remember correctly.
uhhh..yes, I think Jenner's argument advancing this, and he wasn't alone, was published as long ago as 2004 and shot down by the labels who were battling, still are but with less and less vigour, the notion as ridiculous and who refuse to give up the dead model.
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But how long have these things been argued and, like DRM, battled against by the major label recording industry. Like the death of DRM, the RIAA and other associated bodies have fought tooth and nail against these for half a decade, meanwhile alienating customers. I wonder how much it's actually cost them and the acts they represent.
sorry simon, can you expand, I don't get you're point,
are you saying that since these issues have been discussed for 5 years that the conversation should be dropped? I've seen the last 5 years as looking for a workable solution. Jenner was quite clear that he thought the ISPs were in the wrong here and saying it very clearly. its taken a while for people to get that concept clear in their heads.I can see how it would be boring. My eyes rolled up when
Russell jumped in with his hobby horse of "no drm" Luddite comment, wasting valuable time which his highly educated guests could have used. (in a perfect world the no drm comment should mean "I want you to stop making bad drm that intrudes on my fair use, and get it right in a transparent and non invasive way", rather than "yes I do want to freely copy media files and you're spoiling my party", or the old granny vibe it seems to be delivered with like the words itself are the problem rather the concept of control media ...but.... yawn)uhhh..yes, I think Jenner's argument advancing this, and he wasn't alone, was published as long ago as 2004 and shot down by the labels who were battling, still are but with less and less vigour, the notion as ridiculous and who refuse to give up the dead model.
The ISP argument has been gaining momentum and makes sense. it is a viable way forward.
the 'labels' you mention are the major labels, those same people bought out by mafia run funeral homes and parking lots, as distinctly different from the swarm of indie labels presently representing a large cut of music.
personally I think the music people will have less effect on this than the film and tv people and music will probably just ride on their coat tails.The isp argument is just a variation of the subscription argument where your subscription or part of it is paid to your isp and forwarded to content owners.
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