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  • robbery,

    2 ad breaks, 3 parts.
    first part of this week is russell's intro where here states people "don't want to pay for music". (I don't want to pay for petrol, under the new rules I'm so glad I don't have to)
    ws_media7_pta2.mp4 be part 3.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    ignore the 2 ad breaks thing, I haven't paid my $500 to get free tv yet. purely web watch here.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    A pox on you OpShop philistines. Here, go educate yourselves.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1645 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    2 ad breaks, 3 parts.

    No, only one break; two parts. The third part was Simon's Sound Archives report, uploaded to the podcast in error.

    first part of this week is russell's intro where here states people "don't want to pay for music". (I don't want to pay for petrol, under the new rules I'm so glad I don't have to)

    Oi. The actual line was:

    But while there's more music available than ever, the value of sales falls every year: maybe people don't want to buy music any more.

    So how about subscription services: listen to all the music you can eat for a small monthly fee?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    You're right Craig, they could well have. But every National MP?

    Well, Stuart, our host might me a little more up on the state of the play but I rather doubt John Key got an invite for "you + your bird + da whole Natz Posse". :) Putting my Miss Manners hat on, D-list celebutards show up at the opening of a bottle of cough mixture, whether they're invited or not. Members of the House of Representatives? Bad form.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    OK, biting... how are they the aural equiv. of Vigil? You don't care for the sleeting, grey looonely skyscape and brooding hills motif of Mr Ward?

    While I admire the man's persistence and technical elan, his work tends to be a wee bit too cinema of unease for my blood. Rain of the Children stunning. I'd put down Map of the Human Heart and River Queen as noble failures; What Dreams May Come as unspeakable shit. But Vigil and The Navigator? Pretentious bores.

    But I digress - call me a superficial queen, but I like angst you can dance (badly) to.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    No, only one break; two parts.

    Ok, I get that theres a "mistake" and the third part of the podcast is bogus.....

    But the first part is 2:31 long, and the second is 9.05...

    I'm assuming something is missing rather than the program's been shortened :)

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 889 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    More or less OT, but thought it might be of interest:
    Pip Brown talks about clothes, and Aspergers Syndrome.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    The evening began with a moving musical tribute to the late Mahinarangi Tocker. One of our regulars here, Jackie Clark, was Mahinarangi's friend and sister in law, and she can be assured that the spirit of that tribute flowed through the evening.

    Thanks for that, Russell. I know that her daughter, her partner and one of her sisters were there last night, and found it very moving. Like Craig said, it would be nice if she had had that recognition whilst she was alive, however it's lovely that it's happening for her now.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Thanks for that, Russell. I know that her daughter, her partner and one of her sisters were there last night, and found it very moving.

    You know what was lovely, apart from the music? The accompanying slide show. There were some wonderful pictures of her in performance, with her generous, beaming smile.

    I only met Mahinarangi once or twice, but damned if I wasn't teary-eyed by the end of that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    Yup, she was like that, alright. I still bawl about once a week for her, and I really only knew her for the last 15 years or so of her life.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    Ok, I get that theres a "mistake" and the third part of the podcast is bogus.....

    But the first part is 2:31 long, and the second is 9.05...

    I'm assuming something is missing rather than the program's been shortened :)

    Yeah the pod cast links are missing the second half of the discussion and simons pounds national radio thing.
    They are on youtube after the simon pound article but that segment is missing from the podcast links.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    But while there's more music available than ever, the value of sales falls every year: maybe people don't want to buy music any more.

    Are implying that they want to steal it, or implying they're no longer interested in it?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    the Trons have in fact been invited to Paris to play a Mercedes corporate do

    Which Greg will be finding hugely amusing, given that he is a huge fan of that somewhat more down-to-earth vehicle, the Hillman Superminx (there were six in various states of repair in the backyard when I flatted with him).

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Kerry Weston,

    But I digress - call me a superficial queen, but I like angst you can dance (badly) to.

    I haven't seen half the cinema I'd like for years - comes of exiling oneself to the sticks - and when I've got a spare couple of weeks I'd like to watch the new Ward one, plus Vigil & River Queen. He's such a painter - not really a storyteller. Maybe the whole cinema of unease thing is something to react against now - i think there's plenty of humour & vivacity to be found in our history, whole 'other' ways to represent it that haven't been much tapped.

    Manawatu • Since Jan 2008 • 494 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Maybe the whole cinema of unease thing is something to react against now

    Sometime back, whilst being interviewed on Nat Radio, Sam Neill revised his 'cinema of unease' notion (which was always a problem), to talk of NZ film-making entering a new phase of "cinema at ease"--in the wake of 'feel-good' features like No. 2 and Sione's Wedding. I have quoted him on this, as in the resource on NZ film I co-authored with Sandra Chesterman, for the NZ Film Comm.

    If you get a chance, do get to Apron Strings--a cheeerful and often quite touching portrayal of a multicultural New Zealand,

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2557 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Russell--having predicted the election date, do you have any inside gen on who is playing at Big Day Out 2009 (other than Neil Young, possibly)??

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2557 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    Members of the House of Representatives? Bad form.

    In an election year? Pull the other one, it's French.

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Carolyn Skelton,

    I was pleased to see the discussion of charging the ISP's for access to online music. It has always struck me as strange that people think they're getting access to music (an TV shows etc) for free from the net. To do a lot of that sort of downloading I would have to pay my ISP for more bandwidth than I currently do.

    While watching media7 I then started wondering if charging ISPs would mean some people would be paying for access to music they didn't want. But then I figured we would probably still pay for the amount of bandwidth we used one way or another.

    Also, I guess there would be an easy way of the ISP paying the music makers for music accessed?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • Carolyn Skelton,

    On Backbenchers this week, Keith Locke also predicted the election date as November 8. He looked pretty confident about it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Is Black Sheep "cinema of unease"?

    I'd be uneasy if being chased by a carnivorous genetically engineered sheep.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Also, I guess there would be an easy way of the ISP paying the music makers for music accessed?

    You mean on a precise "Carolyn downloaded Crazy Frog, send Harald Faltermeyer 10c" basis? Not really. They'd have to drill down into your traffic and work out what's going on. If a download site used encryption or an obscure protocol, then that wouldn't work. Plus it would be expensive and a privacy invasion.

    It could be done on a statistical basis, like APRA payments, and that has been frequently proposed.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Maybe the whole cinema of unease thing is something to react against now - i think there's plenty of humour & vivacity to be found in our history, whole 'other' ways to represent it that haven't been much tapped.

    Sure, and I was pleasantly surprised to see Goodbye, Pork Pie -- it's pretty rough, and (inevitably) parts of it have aged about as well as my butt, but you can watch it without cringing.

    Sometime back, whilst being interviewed on Nat Radio, Sam Neill revised his 'cinema of unease' notion (which was always a problem)

    But to be fair to Neil, wasn't the whole thesis of 'Cinema of Unease' at least partially intended to be provocative and a personal reflection on New Zealand cinema. If my memory serves, it was commissioned by the BFI as part of the same series as Martin Scorsese's wonderful (and 3 3/4 hours long) __A Personal Journey Through American Movies__ -- which is exactly what it says on the tin, folks.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    I was pleased to see the discussion of charging the ISP's for access to online music

    although it was hardly touched on on the program peter jenner's has a lot of really intelligent things to say on the ISP thing. I was lucky enough to hear him deliver a speech on it and have a chat to him a couple of days before the program.

    He said ISPs have been charging customers for access to content but not passing any of that income derived from access to content on to the people who own it. ie you pay substantially more the more your download, much more than it costs to deliver the service to you so there for they are collection money for the amount of content you consume but essentially keeping it all. Peter said he felt that ISPs knew this and were riding it as long as they could before someone forced the issue.
    It is starting to be forced in the UK with the govt insisting that ISPs and content owners get together and sort it out.

    How a content owner would get to receive their 20 cents has yet to be establish but there are many possibilities ranging from the majors taking it all and keeping to pages with content on it sending a msg to an aggrigator when its content is accessed and increasing the credit on the appropriate account.

    some figures.
    Peter said in the UK that if 1- 3 pounds per month of an individual's internet connection fee was put toward paying for content then the combined total based on the number of people currently with accounts in the UK would equal the present combined income from music sales. about 600 million pounds if I remember correctly.
    The point being that a small easy payment makes the problem go away. no need for illegal anything any more cos everyone's being taken care of.

    Those figures don't take into account other content like films and tv though but its a good idea and a step in the right direction.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    although it was hardly touched on on the program peter jenner's has a lot of really intelligent things to say on the ISP thing.

    But how long have these things been argued and, like DRM, battled against by the major label recording industry. Like the death of DRM, the RIAA and other associated bodies have fought tooth and nail against these for half a decade, meanwhile alienating customers. I wonder how much it's actually cost them and the acts they represent.

    Peter said in the UK that if 1- 3 pounds per month of an individual's internet connection fee was put toward paying for content then the combined total based on the number of people currently with accounts in the UK would equal the present combined income from music sales. about 600 million pounds if I remember correctly.

    uhhh..yes, I think Jenner's argument advancing this, and he wasn't alone, was published as long ago as 2004 and shot down by the labels who were battling, still are but with less and less vigour, the notion as ridiculous and who refuse to give up the dead model.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

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