Capture: Howling at the Moon
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Well, photographs, like poetry, books, writing on your own blog, and all that other stuff is… I don’t even want to use the term… copyright to the author/photographer/artist, is it not?
Hell, yes!!
If I had a dollar for everyone who’s said to me, "but you posted it on the internet…!"
Copyright (not to mention good manners) is harder to police on the internet, but it sure as hell still applies.All the training, equipment, skill, and time…it’s not free.
BTW love your moon-and-masts shot!
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I have hesitated when posting photos here, balancing loss of control over the image with how much I want to share it. I don't post my best images. On my own (commercial) website I overprint the larger images with my name and URL...doesn't stop them coming up in Google image search and random people from right-clicking and re-purposing them, but it does state ownership.
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the ‘Super Moon’ [sic]
It may not be super. But it’s a pretty good moon. :-P
[I have a disagreement with one of my sisters. One of our nieces had twins, which I feel makes us Great-Aunts. She, however, wishes to be a Super-Aunt.]
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This is all part of a learning process, but you’d expect that the Herald would have learned by now. It’s more a matter of courtesy than anything else. Just ask.
Ironically, the Herald is using one of my photos without permission today (credit: “Photo/Supplied”). But that’s fine – Ana’s a mate, she mentions my name and – importantly – there’s no craft in the photograph. It’s just an iPhone shot of a sign in a restaurant.
There may also be times when it’s not practical or possible to seek permission, particularly in a breaking news story. But I do think it’s easy enough to work out some practice for how and when to seek permission, given that independently-generated content appears frequently now on news websites. The kind of junior staffer who puts together the likes of the #supermoon photo feature would benefit from this kind of editorial guidance.
It does cut both ways. Whale Oil recently used several Listener pictures without permission and descended into one of his abusive toddler-tantrums when he was asked to stop doing so. But I don’t think it’s exactly symmetrical. Bloggers will often be making non-commercial use of images to illustrate a commentary on the news organisation that published the image. But the Herald was using Jackson’s picture as feature content. There’s a legal and ethical difference there.
Anyway, it’s an interesting discussion to have.
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Can I post some #supermoon pics now?
In the hours before we flew home from Wellington, Fiona and I went with some friends (and quite a few other people) to the top of Mt Albert to watch the moon rise from behind the ranges. It was spooky and thrilling.
Credit: Fiona Rae
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I reckon the Herald might be open to doing something cooperative to educate their staff properly around this. And maybe build on that into a bigger statement of leadership on their part as we all grapple with how IP affects business models in publishing and other industries.
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A minute or two later ...
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Good on you Jackson for following up. Copyright is still about Right to Copy - on the internet or anywhere else : )
Picture here is Waiting for the Super Moon and looking the other way.
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And later.
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And my crummy iPhone long-shot.
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Lilith __, in reply to
Bloggers will often be making non-commercial use of images to illustrate a commentary on the news organisation that published the image.
I think there’s a big difference between a thumbnail (with link to original) and reposting a full-size image. This is the minefield that Pinterest has sauntered recklessly into.
the Herald is using one of my photos with permission today (credit: “Photo/Supplied”). But that’s fine – Ana’s a mate, she mentions my name and – importantly – there’s no craft in the photograph.
Permission doesn’t have to have money attached. But I think it’s important that a gift is recognised as such.
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Lilith __, in reply to
iPhone long-shot
You can see the Belt of Venus/earth shadow creeping up the sky. Looks like a beautiful evening in Auckland!! Was a bit chilly here.
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Nora Leggs, in reply to
top of Mt Albert to watch the moon rise from behind the ranges
from the Auckland mount we had to wait till the moon had burst out of the cloud layer on the horizon, still looked pretty bright as it headed up I thought.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
You can see the Belt of Venus/earth shadow creeping up the sky. Looks like a beautiful evening in Auckland!! Was a bit chilly here.
Nah, Wellington. Chilly and beautiful.
(Also, you managed to reply to me while my comment was mistakenly saying "with permission" rather than "without". Damn.)
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Lilith __, in reply to
Wellington. Chilly and beautiful.
Oh right! That's Wellington all over, innit!
But wait...did you mean Mt Vic?
Also, you managed to reply to me while my comment was mistakenly saying “with permission” rather than “without”. Damn.
I was too quick off the mark! I did wonder quite where you were coming from. :-)
Right, out into the sun with me...stunning day here today, may have to get out my summer clothes again...
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I think the Herald should be made to pay. And I mean $$. I don't know what commercial photographers charge, but if they steal a picture for use in their feature shouldn't you be able to charge them for it ? Anybody know how much would be reasonable ?
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JacksonP, in reply to
Can I post some #supermoon pics now?
Great. Nice shots.
Thanks for your thoughts too. It is very much a grey area, and like Sacha, it seems we would benefit from some clarification and consistency around the rules of engagement.
But I also understand this is largely wishful thinking, and on a cost-benefit analysis at 1am looking for some pictures for a feature post, poach first, ask later, might seem a reasonable approach.
I imagine someone might have had a few kittens when they discovered one of them had been published in a book though (H/T Petra).
Was this an example of the InterWebz self-regulating?
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Lilith __, in reply to
It is very much a grey area, and like Sacha, it seems we would benefit from some clarification and consistency around the rules of engagement.
I’m just going out so will shut up shortly, but it seems to me that plagiarism of words is not a grey area, and re-posting someone else’s writing without even attribution is really frowned upon.
Why is it any different with photos?
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
But wait…did you mean Mt Vic?
Mt Albert is Mt Vic's consort, and thrusts up over Newtown/Berhampore, kinda behind the zoo, and is part of Wellington's excellent town belt hill walk (we used to have a green belt in Chchch, sigh...)
Interestingly Mt Albert Road continues on from Russell Tce and Jackson St runs onto Volga st which hits Mt Albert rd - it was all meant to be, a kinda cartographic Capture catchment... -
Went outside to look at the moon from the drive and it was ok. But then since I have a small telescope I've spent many hours looking at the moon in more detail anyway. The telescope was bought when we lived in Tucson, Arizona (dry air clear skies minimal light pollution) - sadly it doesn't get nearly as much use in Auckland (humid cloudy and more scattered light than we should have).
One thing that is interesting about using a telescope to look at the moon is that it is better when it's not full. The brightness of the full moon washes out all the detail but as the moon waxes and wanes you can look at the terminator and see the mountains and valleys that make the moon the subject of many hours of fascinating viewing.
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Lilith __, in reply to
Mt Albert is Mt Vic’s consort, and thrusts up over Newtown/Berhampore
bloody NZ placenames! So there's one in Auck and one in Welly??
I remember being heartily amused the first time I visited Mt Cook, Wellington. I mean, really .
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JacksonP, in reply to
Why is it any different with photos?
I'm not suggesting they should be allowed do it without permission or attribution. The process of re-tweeting, or re-blogging photographic images does seem to be an area where, while I agree it shouldn't be seen differently, it very much is. Why is that? And how do we do better?
For example, if there was a way I could allay your fears in posting your best pictures on here without them being pilfered, I would gladly do it.
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David Hood, in reply to
I have had a picture, marked with Creative Commons Non-commercial license, used to illustrate a feature in the Herald online edition about a year and a half ago (note, they did attribute (in a non-linked text-only kind of way)). I suspect they had licensed the professional agency shots only for the print edition, and were substituting my picture for the online one in lieu.
The word I got from people involved in the area professionally is that it probably wouldn't be worth my time to pursue the matter so I haven't done anything about it. -
Using the Lunar Perigee and Apogee Calculator website, we see that the closest perigee of 2012 is May 6 @ 356,953 km. The farthest apogee is 13 days later on May 19th @ 406,450 km. Subtracting the distance gives you 49,497 km. So 90% of that would be 44,547 km. Any syzygy that's closer than 406,450 - 44,547 or 361,903 km would be by definition a Super Moon, in accordance to Richard Nolle, the astrologer gets credit for coining the phrase.
At 100% (its closest approach of the year) it is known as an Extreme Super Moon. The "Extreme" has been misguided throughout the internet, where people think it only happens every 17 years, which is not true. It happens every year on the closest Super Moon of the year, only the distances vary from year to year. (For example: last years Extreme Super Moon was 400 km closer than this years).
Is this another attempt by johnkey to distract us from asset sales?, or is it something bigger?. Well, it seems to be global so, what are the Americans up to now?.
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Hebe,
A simple equation in my book: there is no difference in lifting a story or a photograph from someone else's publication and putting it on your own publication without payment and attribution. Were I to do this from Ballantyne's it would be called theft (or shoplifting).
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