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Polity: Key Derangement Syndrome Derangement Syndrome

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  • Richard Mayes,

    How cynical is it though?
    The news media were interviewing people at the TPPA protest in Akl who couldn't actually say what the TPPA was or why they were against it.
    But somehow they "knew" it had something to do with the rich getting richer and John Key was behind it all, and John Key's let us down, and John Key John Key John Key...

    "Deranged" seems about right!

    Wellington • Since Dec 2007 • 6 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Oh dear. Troll alert!

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1388 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to Richard Mayes,

    But according to you in this thread, Richard, the term was coined and used - by yourself and others on the Right - before Key was even Prime Minister. And back then, there was far more goodwill towards Key on the liberal/left side than there is today, after 7 years in power. He was the improvement on Brash, the one who dumped many unpalatable policies, who even signed up to the anti-smacking law. Back in 2008, if anyone was frothing against John Key, it was the Kiwiblog crowd. He had "sold out". He was "Neville Key".

    And yet you claim to have observed a Syndrome already. Before he did a single thing to antagonize his critics on the left.

    Or, if you were more honest, you knew then and know now that it's nonsense, but nonsense you think can score points for your team. Nothing else.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1324 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    We on the right

    He fessed up to start.... then.. well

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Richard Mayes,

    The news media were interviewing people at the TPPA protest in Akl who couldn't actually say what the TPPA was or why they were against it.

    Some shows, true. Others had no trouble finding articulate protestors. Funny, eh?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Alex Coleman,

    "who couldn’t actually say what the TPPA was or why they were against it."

    That's nothing mate.

    When Clark was PM succesive National Party leaders were organising protests about the Foreshore and Seabed claiming Iwi were going to stop people having bbqs on the beach. What was that all about?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 247 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rob Salmond,

    We're the only party with meaningful solutions (ie. build some homes!

    Sigh. Greens are with you on that too, dude. Please ditch that dinosaur FPP stance and respect your future coalition partners.

    Increase acquisition and building of state housing units by at least 3000 units a year for the next 3 years

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    Some shows, true. Others had no trouble finding articulate protestors. Funny, eh?

    To be fair, I didn't think some of the people John Campbell interviewed had much of a handle on the facts either.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Alex Coleman,

    and let's not get started on them nanny lightbulbs and showerheads #gasp

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Really “X derangement syndrome” is simply “if you don’t agree with X you are crazy” – possibly the most glaring example of an ad-hominem attack you can imagine

    Play the ball not the person

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Hey, most of our politicians can't discuss TPP clearly either. The deliberate opaqueness has been a large part of the problem, by design. The ongoing misinformation campaign doesn't help either.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Alfie,

    Oh dear. Troll alert!

    No, argument made in good faith, I think. Not trolling.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Really “X derangement syndrome” is simply “if you don’t agree with X you are crazy” – possibly the most glaring example of an ad-hominem attack you can imagine

    Interestingly applying my argument above to "Key derangement syndrome derangement syndrome" results in a diferent result than one might think

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2608 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Seriously? Conflating “ignorant” and “deranged”, in response to multiple comments pointing out why this was a bad-faith thing to do? At best, it's a wilful refusal to stop digging.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    Hey, most of our politicians can’t discuss TPP clearly either. The deliberate opaqueness has been a large part of the problem, by design. The ongoing misinformation campaign doesn’t help either.

    I actually think it got used in a Key-Derangement way too. Informed opposition was dismissed as mere partisanship. And, yeah, I'm not sure I can think off one politician capable of discussing the IP chapter, with which I have issues.

    But by the same token, elements of the opposition made me wary of identifying closely with the protests. We lacked for good generally-pro-trade-but-not-this voices.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to linger,

    Seriously? Conflating “ignorant” and “deranged”? In response to multiple comments pointing out why this was a bad-faith thing to do?

    Just reply to it. I delete genuine trolls, but I don't want to prevent argument.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    one politician capable of discussing the IP chapter

    not even Gareth Hughes?
    (haven't checked recent pronouncements)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    We lacked for good generally-pro-trade-but-not-this voices.

    Yes. Imagine if Labour had figured out where they stood beforehand?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Richard Mayes,

    I’m sorry if the term irritates you!

    Yeah, you're prolly not that sorry. But the original post is snarky too.

    If I was put in charge it would be “haters gonna hate syndrome”, but that’s not original either…

    It seems to be a widely agreed line of argument, because it has the effect of delegitimising all contrary views. But it's cloddish and fanciful. There are some people who are mostly into flag-change opposition because they hate Key (there are also, as Morrissey observed, some bad people on the right). But they're entitled to do that.

    Personally, I'm intent on participating in the process in good faith. But we have reached a juncture where the choice is between a flag I don't much care for and a new option I think is a bloody cultural calamity. So, you know, sorry, but I'm going with my cultural tribe on this one.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    Yes. Imagine if Labour had figured out where they stood beforehand?

    Well, the Greens could have taken a look at it. It was a little amusing that James Shaw's position on dealing with the TPP in government turned out to be a better-worded version of Little's "we'll have a look at it".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Kevin McCready,

    Hey Rob, Tell me what's wrong with this analysis:
    Keytruda
    1 year price $250,000
    1 year production cost $250
    Big Pharma spends more on advertising than research.
    Therefore Labour should shut up or take a principled stand rather than currying favour with dying people.
    Seems to me when lives are at stake we should be advocating for immediate and rational lifting of copyright on these molecules, along the lines of a Fair Day's Pay For a Fair Day's Work. Remember that Labour principle?

    Auckland • Since Jun 2013 • 119 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Sacha,

    Hey, most of our politicians can’t discuss TPP clearly either. The deliberate opaqueness has been a large part of the problem, by design. The ongoing misinformation campaign doesn’t help either.

    Hear! Hear! That was the first problem and the fact that Opposition were never allowed to engage started the next problem and then (like much of how National engage with Opposition and the rest of us) we are constantly kept in the dark with what Ministers are up to (Saudi sheep being just one and still ongoing) An uninformed people will get restless. To assume it's all about hating on John is rubbish. I'm hating on the continuous belittlement of the NZ people and what's happening to all these tax dollars alongside all the borrowing and the delays of budget announcement supposed policies that are not being allocated such as Christchurch, WTF? And then, people wonder why Joyce gets a dildo in his face or Brownlee gets draped in muck. It's not all about Johnny but it's certainly understandable.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Kiwiiano,

    how did it manage to get a Norwegian maple leaf on it

    But isn't it good,
    Norwegian wood...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7892 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    the Greens could have taken a look at it.

    Media weren't thrusting hungry microphones at them though.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Norwegian wood

    my (Beatles-adoring) mum would love you for that reference.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

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