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  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to John Farrell,

    Peter George is running the idea that it was all too smooth, and there was skulduggery in the background.

    Building on the foundations of Hosking's 'shenanigans' meme - I guess they can't divorce other people's actions from their own world view and processes.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Peter George is running the idea that it was all too smooth

    If that's the calibre of what they're up against, I suddenly have a wild sense of hope.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10630 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Unexpected New York Times top stories: "North Korea, Russia, Jacinda Ardern". Yes, really.

    Meanwhile the Herald has pieces today by Raybon Kan and Barry Soper. One of them is funny.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1319 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Labour should immediately scrap the primary leadership selection format as soon as possible. It hasn't worked. And as for Grant, he's still finance spokesperson. That's number three, and a fairly powerful Cabinet role in its own right, as well as being a major policy platform. I don't think he's 'keeping clear' of Jacinda at all, any more than he did Andrew Little before her.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 563 posts Report Reply

  • william blake, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Not sure he has the chops to change on the fly… so he’ll probably revert to attack dog mode.

    Chops..attack dog; hopefully he will devour himself like some kind of west Auckland ouroboros.

    Since Mar 2010 • 378 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to william blake,

    some kind of west Auckland ouroboros

    Ouroboros also known as the serpent Jörmungandr - is a major player in Ragnarok (the Norse myth rather than Taika's movie - though hopefully Jörmungandr and Thor have their big battle in the film)...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    I do hope that David Parker is given his head in the new paradigm, and a chance to flex his nous and commitment.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

  • Doug Hood,

    I do hope that David Parker is given his head in the new paradigm, and a chance to flex his nous and commitment.

    Agree, reckon his capital gains policy was badly handled/sold by Cunliffe

    Kingsland • Since Oct 2009 • 43 posts Report Reply

  • Lynn Yum,

    I have to say I am warming to Andrew Little. Because he is definitely an adult when the (unfair) accusation is that a Labour-Green government will be run by a bunch of clueless kids/idealists. His union background is a great reassurance.

    I really doubt there is any going to be policy shifts, especially this close to the election. Probably just different messaging and no more. I have nothing against Jacinda Ardern. I thought she is a very good speaker. But it is the internal Labour Party politics rearing its ugly head again. This is a great way to project an image that they are not panicking. Right.

    A more resilent team would look at the polls and say "Look, this is just temporary set back. We just have to tweak the campaign a bit to get better results. And the polls can't be telling the whole picture, given that the polls were dead wrong with Brexit, Trump, and last the UK election".

    Auckland • Since Dec 2016 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Doug Hood,

    A hidden site feature for you Doug - if you highlight the text you want to quote before you click Reply, it gets automagically pasted and formatted as a quote. I miss this feature on other sites.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to Lynn Yum,

    Lynn, there was no prospect of a leadership change until Andrew Little chose - for whatever reason - to use a TVNZ interview to express his own doubts. If he had responded to a bad poll the way politicians usually do ("Not what I'm finding when I talk to voters out there ... focused on the issues" etc) then he would still be leader.

    It wasn't the polls that finished him, or his caucus, it was his own words.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1319 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to Lynn Yum,

    And the polls can’t be telling the whole picture, given that the polls were dead wrong with Brexit, Trump, and last the UK election”.

    Yes, whilst pollsters continue to rely on landline responses. This effectively precludes 90% of my students from taking part and an increasing number of older friends.y

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2537 posts Report Reply

  • Shaun Scott,

    I have just come from a meeting of about 6 people (all of us 50+ years old - well, Me in a month) where the labour leadership stuff came up in discussion beforehand. 3 thought that at the time ( Tuesday) it was a bad move by labour to change leader right now. All three of them now think it was the right thing to do,and said how things have energised as a result. 2 of them were just thrilled immediately that Jacinda was the new leader. One person said they have not voted In the past two elections, that they weren't impressed with "the young one" but thought "that kelvin seems pretty good" and say they are likely to vote this time as a result.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2008 • 88 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    I see this on Labour's Facebook page

    Got something you'd like to ask new Labour Leader Jacinda Ardern?
    Well this evening (Aug 3) we're running our first live Facebook Q&A with Jacinda since she became Leader, and we'd love to have your questions! Just leave yours below and tune in at 6.30 pm tonight to hear Jacinda's answers...

    https://www.facebook.com/NZLabourParty/

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7886 posts Report Reply

  • Lynn Yum, in reply to simon g,

    Well they could have said "no we are 100% behind you Andrew" and refused his resignation. That would have projected unity. Yes it was bizarre that he openly talked about his doubts. One way to see it is to say that Andrew Little is incredibly honest. Another way to see it is to say he lacks confidence, lacks belief in his own campaign. But in the back of his mind I reckon it must have been the image of the caucus sharpening the knives after the bad polling numbers.

    Auckland • Since Dec 2016 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Carol Stewart, in reply to Lynn Yum,

    I have to say I am warming to Andrew Little.

    Bit late for that, Lynn! Are you saying that he should have stayed on? I completely disagree. If anyone's panicking it's the National Party. Jacinda as leader is a nightmare for them, which is going to lead to a much more closely contested election.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 821 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Lynn Yum,

    I really doubt there is any going to be policy shifts, especially this close to the election. Probably just different messaging and no more.

    You're possibly right. But the point was, despite the presence of actual policy somehow Little had failed to communicate that and excite the public about any of those policies in particular.

    The contrast with The Greens was particularly stark.

    For example both parties have a pro-public transport policy setting. Both have made positive statements about light rail in Auckland, but where Little spoke in general inclusive NZ wide terms The Greens said "we'll build light rail to Auckland airport by 2021".

    Yes it's the same message delivered different ways and yes The Greens probably pissed off a few Sth Island farmers by speaking in Auckland centric terms But the effect was The Greens appeared to have a tangible policy and Labour didn't.

    The different messaging is all important if people aren't hearing you

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4450 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    What seems to have been missed from the whole conversation this week is that the right bloc has been steadily declining in polls since the last election and the left bloc rising to above 50% (with Winston included) - regardless of Labour's share of that total. FPP is alive and well in far too many newsrooms and minds.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Lynn Yum, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Yes, whilst pollsters continue to rely on landline responses. This effectively precludes 90% of my students from taking part and an increasing number of older friends.y

    Yes I just checked the last Colmar Brunton poll methodology. They are still calling land line only (page 2), effectively still using 20th century methodology in 21st century. *facepalm*

    Auckland • Since Dec 2016 • 38 posts Report Reply

  • Carol Stewart,

    You think you can exclude Winston from the right bloc, Sacha?

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 821 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Carol Stewart,

    You think you can exclude Winston from the right bloc, Sacha?

    Well he's not in the right bloc that currently holds power.

    I'm not sure where Winston himself sits, but his support is, IMHO, mostly on the Left (if we define position by political opinion and how the population differs on that). It's actually hard to tell it apart from Labour support by professed opinions - the differences are more likely to be demographic.

    This probably explains Labour's immigration stance. It's probably a reflection of things their actual supporters have said, when captured anonymously and examined statistically.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10630 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    I really doubt there is any going to be policy shifts, especially this close to the election. Probably just different messaging and no more.

    You’re possibly right. But the point was, despite the presence of actual policy somehow Little had failed to communicate that and excite the public about any of those policies in particular.

    I’m not sure if there’s something I’ve been missing as I’ve been looking at both Labour and Green policy over the past couple of weeks and compared to the Greens who very comprehensively have this and this, all I’ve been able to find for Labour is this. Perusing both, it’s quickly revealed how comparatively lackluster Labour’s announced policies folio currently is e.g. their Regional Development policy for New Zealand appears to amount to little more than setting up a Centre of Digital Excellence (CODE) in Dunedin. So I’d assumed there is a lot more to come.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    (as is conventional) resigns the next day

    In light of what went down very publicly (and here of all places) in 2014, this wins my nomination for euphemism of the year.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Carol Stewart,

    You think you can exclude Winston from the right bloc, Sacha?

    Nope. But neither can I exclude him from a left coalition, and that's enough to win. Labour's chance of picking up enough votes in the next 7 weeks to be able to govern without Winnie seem close to zero to me.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

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