Does anyone seriously think Cathy Odgers knows people in HK who’d actually seriously pose any threat to a New Zealander’s safety?
Based on the email quoted in this thread? No. Methinks she doth protest far too much. It definitely smells like fantasyland empty boasting.
And, in fact the footnotes for the Farrar chapter explain this: they say Hager’s source was “an employee”.
Farrar would much prefer the faux outrage of shouting "hacker" and "theft" than than admit that people don't like his work.
when Alfie said this
Alfie> Unbelievable! I see the Herald has added this line to several posts.
“FORUM EDITOR’S NOTE: This piece is satire. He is not defending the National Party.”
SB> Indeed, had to comment myself on that. The fact that some commentators take this seriously speaks volumes.
It just shows that the media space has been so corrupted that people can’t recognise satire. They just recognise it as normal Nat speak.
(and it’s quite interesting that paper books have become sought after schwag given out at talks on esoteric tech stuff like graph databases and parallelism)
It's because they look good on bookshelves - "See? I went to all these conferences!"
I think the Herald missed the satire as well....
Finally someone who has written something worth reading about this silly little man and his silly little book. Necky Hogget (I think that's right) is an attention seeker, a man who would string any two statements together to make a conspiracy. The real injustice is that this man gets so much air time when he chooses to shock the world with his waffle. Time to move on and let reality settle back over us.
FORUM EDITOR'S NOTE: This article is satire. He is not supporting the National Party.
While I am shocked at the level of manipulation exposed here I am preparing my tender sensibilities for the greater shock to come. That even this book will make bugger all difference to the election outcome. How many voters will buy the “nothing to see here, the bad guys are over there” line? Heaps I reckon.
I heard a great line in Ireland once during an election, “Politicians they are all a shower of shite” . Ironically this line may confirm to our many non voters, its just a waste of time.
Will the spin doctors win?
@Richard. Which is one of their avowed aims. Drive down the vote%. The lower the vote the more likely a right wing win.
Which is one of their avowed aims.
The actual aim is the overthrow of democracy, and it's replacement with a plutocracy with a charade of democracy.
David Farrar has now basically acknowledged to me that a call centre worker probably took home the two scripts and gave them to Hager.
However, he hasn't edited his blog post or commented to that effect on it, and I doubt that he will.
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This Stuff poll doesn't seem believable to me:
It did at least acknowledge that the undecided vote was 15.4% – way at the bottom.
Remember how Watergate went down, it wasn't the break in that brought Nixon down, it was the cover up ...... watch very carefully when Key's lips move, what comes out and who's pulling the strings, it's what he does over the next few weeks that will damn him or let him go free
It’s delusional, fantasyland stuff,
But it also speaks volumes about her suitability to be part of a professional society that purports to uphold the legal system and justice for all New Zealanders.
How do we work out how is pulling the strings Paul? Do we have to hack his email for the public good? Maybe we could tortue him- for the public good of course.
Key’s prejudging the book as conspiracy was disappointing enough and his position to continue to wilfully ignore its contents already damns him. He seems to be directly challenging the role of the fourth estate in a democracy, treating the journalist as an opponent.
Key should know the contents of Nicky’s critique and act or react accordingly, not ‘be in damage controll’. Manipulation of the media and playing fast and loose with the truth is antithetical to a healthy democracy, shows poor leadership and is an ugly and anachronistic part of right wing politics.
I think the trick is to sit there watching him digging his hole and wait until it's deep enough .... in other words just keep the pressure on until he does something really illegal to try and make it go away
Key should know the contents of Nicky’s critique and act or react accordingly, not ‘be in damage controll’. Manipulation and subsequent suppression of the media is antithetical to a healthy democracy, it is an ugly and anachronistic part of right wing politics.
But William you are projecting your own moral compass onto Key. If everything in Hager's book is true then why are we so troubled that Key is using damage control and spin techniques to defend him and his party.
The actual aim is the overthrow of democracy, and it’s replacement with a plutocracy with a charade of democracy.
Are we there yet Tom?
This might have been said in the ensuing 350 comments, but here goes:
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Manipulation of the media [......] shows poor leadership
Seems to me there's also been a massive leadership fail in the media. I have not been surprised by any of these revelations, we've all been seeing the signs clearly for quite some time now, even discussing them hereabouts. With apologies to Nicky Hager*, it's actually a bit disappointing that this news has come out this late in this way.
*Because although I haven't read any of his books, I think he's a superb journalist and we need more like him and Jon Stephenson.
Oh, and as an aside: Are we seeing the NZ version of a "50 cent gang" popping up around these threads?
Yeah I think the Law Society needs to ask serious questions about her behaviour there.
Craig Ranapia: "Slater threatened to blackmail Rodney Hide over "dirty texts"
Sacha: "That's the claim yes - backed up I expect by evidence."
Seriously, do you realise how laughably bizarro-world implausible that is? It couldn't get any nuttier if you introduced the Illuminati or TEH MOLE MEN.
A blogger and a National strategist blackmailing a Minister of the Crown and leader of a political party to force his retirement? Slater and Lusk would have been arrested and sentenced to jail terms in the time it took Hide to stop laughing.
That Hide-blackmail story is the bit that stands out as revealing "OK, some of this stuff is just plain made-up".
No Chris I don't see any 50 cent gang;) if someone seems to be asking stupid questions just set them right with direct facts.
Richard, yes my moral compass points to having a free and healthy fourth estate. if the PM is pre determining his response to a unknown written critique rather than a thoughtful and balanced response to the actual information, we do have a disconnect in this vital process.
Oh shit now my paranoia is up