Hard News: Christchurch: Is "quite good" good enough?
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
you been paying rates for something but clean water it ain’t.
She'll be right, the same bloke looking after your water is overseeing the Chchch recovery... what could possibly go worng?
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Gregor Ronald, in reply to
There's funky shopping in lots of little spots; Church Corner and inner Riccarton, Woolston, even Hornby. And Stanmore Rd is starting to revive - a bit.
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Gregor Ronald, in reply to
In a city with fluid and evolving areas of use, fixed rail runs the risk of being in the wrong places. Buses are economical and green if done properly, and they can change their route in a minute - my (occasional) Metrostar takes a different route through St Albans every week!
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Hebe,
Does anyone else see a resemblance to the New Orleans disaster recovery model? Do we get a Brad Pitt with that?
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Sacha, in reply to
Imagine it over time being mainly vacant green space, then some apartments, playground, and commercial buildings scattered along the southern strip.
That's if decision-makers don't later decide it's more lucrative to build something else there. Like carparks for the stadium, perhaps. Or a shopping mall.
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Sacha, in reply to
Buses are economical
until fuel prices treble.
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Hebe, in reply to
Question for Chch locals: if I lived somewhere in the CBD or Frame areas, where would I most likely shop for food?
It would be nice to see some public fruit trees in the frame, even community gardens. That's unlikely. So, you would shop at South City New World, Pak and Save, Piko in three or four years when it's back home.
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Hebe, in reply to
until fuel prices treble.
Electric would be ideal for a flat city without huge distances to cover. Produced by a mandatory solar panel bank on all new buildings.
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andin, in reply to
It would be nice to see some public fruit trees in the frame, even community gardens
Dont think any of the developers have studied Permaculture or heard of Davis California
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Lilith __, in reply to
Imagine it over time being mainly vacant green space, then some apartments, playground, and commercial buildings scattered along the southern strip.
OK. It's just hard to square that with what Key's been saying. (why am I trying?)
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Lilith __, in reply to
Buses are economical
until fuel prices treble.
Trains need fuel too. And I’m not sure how economical trains are if they stop often. Most people getting around Chch are going relatively short distances. And you want stops to be reasonably close together for ease of use.
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Gregor Ronald, in reply to
Yes, there are brilliant riverside areas like this in Melbourne - apartments close to the river would be great, but there has to be a 50m-100m corridor between them and the river. First, to reduce lateral spreading in the next quake. Second, because living by the river is not the same as owning the river.
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Sacha, in reply to
Trains need fuel too
Trains and trams are easier to electrify. Electric vehicles also accelerate faster - so for instance, electrifying the Auckland rail network will allow more frequent services soon.
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Sacha, in reply to
He's selling the final version to long-term investors.
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Keir Leslie, in reply to
Actually Sacha, I'm going to be quite blunt here and say that I don't particularly want to read your petty snarking about Tom here.
I live in a city that's fucked, and you see it as a chance to score points in some weird argument about the proper way to understand leftism?
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Sacha, in reply to
We all react differently to people being twats.
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Tom wasn't being a twat. You are. I just came home through the CBD and I just don't want to read a bunch of snide crap.
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In fact Tom's right, there does need to be some kind of thinking about what people want and the best way to make that happen, and it might not be as simple as just doing exactly the things they say. That's why town planning is a profession.
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Sacha, in reply to
whatever
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Eh, I don't want to pull the "I am from Christchurch" thing, but I am and you are not and I really dislike the way you used my broken city as a chance to have a go at Tom.
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I do have some actual remarks about the city plan now. I am really depressed at how much looks to be paid for by public-private partnerships. Hospital, the courts precinct, convention centre. Hotels to be exempted from height restrictions? Why? Either height restrictions are a good idea or they aren't. (I think they aren't.)
I am also worried about the lack of any real civic ambition. The square is the heart of the city. Is a convention centre really the best thing to go there?
To echo James Dann I am not happy about the siting of the stadium, a real kick in the teeth for NG's owners, who've done the right thing by the city.
Realistically this plan is not particularly amazing, and is unlikely to last ten years as is. So I think we'll see a different city emerge than the one envisaged, although that's not to say that it won't be very influenced by this document.
Obviously all at first glance.
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Also, and this will sound obviously, I think there's something quite weird and siloised about a plan drawn up within the Avenues. After all, Lancaster Park was never within that area. Why does the new stadium have to be? (Well, cynically, because that's where CERA's powers run strongest.)
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Put in fibre and de-centralise
Except that:
- 80% of people need to be physically at work for genuine reasons, like it's a shop/engineering works/hospital/bar
- 15% of people could work from home, but no NZ boss trusts people they can't see sat at a desk
- 4% work in software for companies that have embraced the 'agile' fad and require all their staff on site for regular f****n standup meetings
- the other 1% are very fortunate indeed. Or unemployed.Then you've got shopping trips, visits to rellies and friends, meetings, etc. A de-centralised city isn't good for public transport, so everyone will wind up driving everywhere, until $5/$10 petrol drives them into penury.
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A de-centralised city is a 1962 city --- when do you think the decisions to put QEII out East, the University out West, etc, were made?
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Lilith __, in reply to
Trains and trams are easier to electrify. Electric vehicles also accelerate faster – so for instance, electrifying the Auckland rail network will allow more frequent services soon.
We had battery-powered electric buses here in Chch -- our central-city shuttles were all electric. I have to say, rapid acceleration was not their forte, but perhaps technology has improved. Perhaps you're talking about trolley buses?
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