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Southerly: Who was George Hildebrand Alington—and why did he give away his “Girl child 23 months old”?

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  • Ross Mason, in reply to David Haywood,

    Here I’m not sure I entirely agree with the you…

    This is FUN!

    The Arlngton on the stamp bears the same "flicks and shapes" as other letters in other places. See the way the "ton" in Alington on the stamp is written. The horizontal line that is the "t" cross. This is the same style as "Arlington" in the rest of the note. QED the same person.

    As for "the sum of twenty pounds". An even closer look suggests that this might have been written by Holland!! Check the "n". Subtle differences to the body of the letter. But consistent with Hollands "n" on his name - and the "n" in Pounds. The "s" are completely different too. Especially the ones at the start of words. The "f" is different. The "d" does not have that little left flick at the top either. Nope. IMHO, Different person.

    I'll concede that a third person is there but I offer Holland as the third person who wrote the twenty pounds bit. The strokes look suspiciously the same, the angle of the writing.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason, in reply to Brent Jackson,

    The additional JP was definitely written by a different hand than the crossed out JP.

    The loops in the "J" and the "P" would be hard to separate them as two different ones. I'll go with my idea still. The big "dots" are a giveaway as well I think. Check the dot in "Geo." in Coleman's signature. Especially the little hook to them.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Annie Magee,

    Press, Volume XLVIII, Issue 7971, 19 September 1891, Page 1
    IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NEW ZEALAND CANTERBURY DISTRICT.
    Under the Divorce aud Matrimonial Causes Act 1867 and the Acts amending the same. Between Eliza Ann Winter of Methven in the said district and William Winter formerly of Akaroa in the said district laborer
    To WILLIAM WINTER formerly of Akaroa in New Zealand laborer but whose present address is unknown.
    TAKE NOTICE that a citation bearing date the fifteenth day of September 1891 has issued under seal of this Honorable Court at the instance of your wife Eliza Ann Winter of Methven in the said district citing you to appear in the said Court there to answer her petition filed in the said Court praying for a dissolution of her said marriage with you on the grounds of your adultery and cruelty towards your said wife and your desertion of her without reasonable excuse for the period of two years and upwards and that such citation contains an intimation that in default of your so doing the said Court will proceed to hear the said charges proved in due course of law and to pronounce sentence therein your absence notwithstanding and further take notice that by an order of this Honorable Court made herein on the third day or September 1891 personal service of the said citation upon you was dispensed with and substituted service allowed in lieu thereof upon James Lambert of St. Albans near Christchurch market gardener and that the time for your entering an appearance to the said citation was limited by the said order to three months after such substituted service on the said James Lambert which substituted service was effected on the fifteenth day of September 1891.
    Dated the sixteenth day of September A. R. BLOXAM. Registrar of the Supreme Court of New Zealand at Christchurch. Stringer and Cresswell, Solicitor for the Petitioner, 144 Worcester Street, Christchurch, New Zealand.

    New Zealand • Since May 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • David Haywood, in reply to Dianne Mitchell,

    Her birth parents are recorded as”
    George Hlidebrand Alington and Eliza Ann WINTER nee Good.

    so have George and the vicar’s wife had a bit of a fling and Eileen the result?

    Crikey! Well done, Dianne! You deserve the Nobel Prize for Geneology -- I shall put forward your name immediately!

    And darn -- on the subject of vicars I now have to go and remove my son and another child from school for 'science club' (today: dismantling our piano!). Both children are science-y and ask too many questions to be allowed in the Bible Class, which the local school runs in the last school hour on Tuesdays. Oh, to have children who would just keep their mouths shut and not interrogate the nice lady from the church.

    Will be back to contribute to this thread later tonight...

    Dunsandel • Since Nov 2006 • 1156 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason, in reply to David Haywood,

    Oh, to have children who would just keep their mouths shut and not interrogate the nice lady from the church.

    Carl Sagan/Sasha Sagan

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Annie Magee,

    Eliza married again

    1898/3379 Eliza Ann Winter Frederick Kennard

    New Zealand • Since May 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson, in reply to Ross Mason,

    Yeah, I can see that the P's shapes are quite similar, but the bottom of the J's are quite different. The dot in the signature and the added JP are similar (almost commas), as opposed to the dots in the original JP (though this may just be due to differing writing speed).

    But really this is all of minor consequence, compared to the identification of the adopted child, and her biological parents. Good sleuthing all around.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 620 posts Report Reply

  • Dianne Mitchell,

    Not sure where I got that Eliza Ann's husband was a vicar. From all accounts he was a very nasty piece of work.
    Eliza Ann Winter (sorry maiden name WEBB, not Good as stated above) died on 14 Oct 1942 in ChCh. Interesting that her former husband, William Winter died on the very next day.
    She married a Fred Kennnard in 1898.

    Tauranga • Since May 2014 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • David Haywood, in reply to Annie Magee,

    Under the Divorce aud Matrimonial Causes Act 1867 and the Acts amending the same. Between Eliza Ann Winter of Methven

    Wow (again)! And note that it's the same solicitor as shown on the receipt for payment to the adopted child's mother (now known to be Eliza Ann Winter).

    Dunsandel • Since Nov 2006 • 1156 posts Report Reply

  • Dianne Mitchell,

    Eliza Ann and William Winter had 5 other children…all now deceased.

    Eileen and her hubby Fred Mcreanor are buried at Burwood Cemetery, CHCH. Fred died in 1939.
    Their son Frederick George Coleman McCreanor (known as George) died in 2004. Born 1932.
    The owner of the Tree on Ancestry is a McCreanor descendant who lives in CHCH.

    Tauranga • Since May 2014 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe,

    This is great! I wonder if the original letter was written from a standard "how to give away a child" template and the twenty-pound rider was added at the last minute to help Eliza support her family.

    If she had already hd five with the bad bolter William, she could well have found the last illegitimate child too much to cope with, so Alington helped sort it all out before he married?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Dianne Mitchell,

    Oh dear...seem that Eliza Ann's family with William Winter are totally unaware of Eileen's existence
    This from the Ancestry Tree
    "If it's possible I'd like more information on how this relationship was decided upon by the creator of this family tree. The existence of Eileen is unknown in my family, I am a great granddaughter of Eliza Ann WINTER. I note from my search on Ancestry.com that there is another Eliza Winter who lived in the Ellesmere area of Canterbury and in Timaru. While I haven't investigated her thoroughly there is no record of EAW having lived in Ellesmere or Timaru in our family story. Our EAW married William John David WINTER first, then Frederick KENNARD. She had, as far as I know, two daughters and three sons. They lived in St. Albans. Barbara Blanchard"

    Tauranga • Since May 2014 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • Lynley Chapman, in reply to David Haywood,

    I'm with you David re Dianne's super sleuth work on this. I've done a bit of genealogy in the past decade but Dianne leaves me in the dust!

    I am about to post my adoption mystery to that board and see if they can find the mother I need to find to finish the puzzle.

    Porirua • Since Aug 2011 • 45 posts Report Reply

  • Dianne Mitchell, in reply to David Haywood,

    No...not a genius. Just know where to look for certain things. By chance, a couple of well researched family Trees on Ancestry have provided most of the info.

    Tauranga • Since May 2014 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • Dianne Mitchell, in reply to Lynley Chapman,

    Hi Lynley....just be aware that you can't post any details of living people on the TM Board...TM rules to protect the privacy of those concerned. Also, TM don't like you posting contact details
    I'm happy to help...I do a lot of adoption cases. you can contact me at diannem@xtra.co.nz

    Tauranga • Since May 2014 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to David Haywood,

    light-hearted aside...

    (who, incidentally, died very rich)

    any relative of William Coffin Coleman and his Lantern?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Lynley Chapman, in reply to Dianne Mitchell,

    Thanks Dianne. The adoption I am having problems with dates back to 1918. I will be in touch promptly.....

    Porirua • Since Aug 2011 • 45 posts Report Reply

  • Alan Perrott,

    can I just say this is top telly...now, as you were.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 438 posts Report Reply

  • Tamara, in reply to Alan Perrott,

    +1!

    New Zealand • Since Oct 2010 • 115 posts Report Reply

  • Dianne Mitchell, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Can’t find a connection so far…but I’m working on it;-))

    William “The Lamp” was Mayor of Wichita 1923-1924. He died there. Married Fanny Sheldon and had 2 kids.

    Tauranga • Since May 2014 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason, in reply to Dianne Mitchell,

    William “The Lamp” was Mayor of Wichita 1923-1924. He died there. Married Fanny Sheldon and had 2 kids.

    That boy could have ancestors from Wick.....

    His other products were good for cooking along with the lamp. Combined they prevented camp a la black out.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Lynley Chapman,

    The 1893 Electoral Roll for Women(such a useful resource!!) finds:

    Eliza Ann WINTER, Domestic duties, Caledonian Rd, St Albans

    Amelia COLEMAN, Domestic duties, Webb St, St Albans

    Winifred B ALINGTON, Dom duties, Methven.

    I don’t know ChCh – would Eliza have been a neighbour to the Colemans?

    Porirua • Since Aug 2011 • 45 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Alan Perrott,

    can I just say this is top telly…now, as you were.

    Innit? I would watch the hell out of this show.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Dianne Mitchell,

    Just know where to look for certain things

    That's a pretty good description of genius

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4460 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Alan Perrott,

    can I just say this is top telly…

    Sure is. Does anyone else have a mystery for the Miss Marples corner?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

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