Hard News: Vision and dumbassery
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
That's all I can come up with.
You make statements. People dissect them and critique them. You refer them back to your statements. That's not a discussion, or even an argument.
Thank God NZ has your incisive and articulate mind to inform us of the realities of life. Without you we just wouldn't have a clue.
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nzlemming, in reply to
A good point Angela, however it fascinates me to see if we can actually tease out something that would enlighten us all.
You won't. There's nothing there. His mission is to make PAS unpleasant as place for actual, rational discussion, much like the Standard comments section has become. Discussions here are usually more nuanced and don't fit the left/right black and white tribal paradigm that suits the Farrars and Slaters of this world (and the "Jakes", though that might be redundant).
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I am just loving this thread , loving it. I just wished I had more time to contribute but at the very least I want to thank some here in what little time I do have .
To izogi for a great take on the dark side of presidential branding and the kick ass, “Tread on people like this instead of including them and they’ll do more than just disagree with you. They’ll start to hate you “
To Dean Wallis for his passionate call to take our country back . A country where we have a “real job, making real stuff for real people who need it” . Brilliant!
To Ian Dalziel , our own wild eye mystic running through the village, wildly waving and yelling at the death cult, proselytizing tinkers in our midst, mist veiled by their own dissonance. Shine on, shine on you dalziel diamond.
To mark taslov for so laterally linking Lewdness with the nuances of privacy, I feel so.. naked, writing emails now.
To Ben Wilson for sharing the Internalized Really Complicated Situation in his head as he works out – so fluidly- a beautifully constructed coalition , still a work in progress. “Our ability to signal is not limited to our vote.” Great signal work Ben .
More Vision than Dumbassery here.
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It's been linked to on another thread, but it's worth adding here, because this kind of real news is exactly WHY Key and his trolls try to divert and distract:
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/798623855-ombudsman-overrules-key-over-naming-of-staffer
That is huge news, it goes to the very core of the Prime Minister's personal integrity, but the clock is being run down and the news will barely register before polling day.
The battle for our democratic heart doesn't end on Sept 21. It starts.
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John Farrell, in reply to
You poor thing.
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Dismal Soyanz, in reply to
Mr Key says the Ombudsman’s ruling is fine by him.
"Totally comfortable with that, the only reason we didn't name names is just simply because these people handle sensitive information, and in the case of Phil de Joux he now works in the private sector."Is it just me or was that a total non sequiter?
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mark taslov, in reply to
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simon g, in reply to
Stuff has the full quote:
"The only reason we didn't name names is simply because these people handle sensitive information and in the case of Phil de Joux he now works in the private sector, so it's really just a privacy matter, but it's no big deal one way or the other."
I think we've reached the stage where Key just presses the random bullshit button, and relies on half the public not caring.
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The Greens are bad m'kay
John Ansell 'activist' justifies his attack billboards. I have been driving past one of these most days, but to me "Red Alert: Labour means 30% Greens" is a good thing, and I am definitely in his target market.
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andin, in reply to
Hahahahahhaaaaaaaahahahahhaaaa. nothing idiotic in there.
swinging...keys in the bowl.. hahahaaaaaahahahaha
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
What a sh*t!
Is it just me or was that a total non sequitur?
I think that was all pro squitter!
It's not far from fecal to feral...:- )
keeping it scatological, since 2006 -
Kim_Wright, in reply to
Non sequitors seem to be his bread and butter response.
I have just invented a drinking word game to play while awaiting for the election results on Saturday night.
1) Transcribed all of Johns Key's recent answers to questions about dirty politics and the GSCB, onto separate pieces of paper
2) Cut each sentence exactly at the pivot point where he digresses to 'something that has absolutely no relevance to the question asked
3) Mix and match sentence halves until someone forms a coherent sentence: Sentence maker drinks.
4) If the sentence answers a question he has actually been asked: Everyone drinks.Not sure for the conclusion if no coherent sentence can be formed. Could be a dry night.
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Dismal Soyanz, in reply to
Just about everyone who works for government handles sensitive information at some point during their working day.
I'm not convinced that his move to the private sector changes anything. If it were applicable, wouldn't privacy apply to staff whether current or former? (But then again Judith kinda trashed that one.)
So privacy makes some sense but not the other stuff it was wrapped in.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Not sure for the conclusion if no coherent sentence can be formed.
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Over the last week or so I've been gradually growing a Greasemonkey script that adds a little "Ignore" button next to posts. When you click the button, it hides all other posts by that user afterwards, as well as any direct replies to them. Hidden posts are collapsed to one line and can be shown by clicking a "Reveal" button. Perhaps some others will also find it useful for retaining their peace of mind: PAS Ignore.
You will need Greasemonkey for Firefox or Tampermonkey for Chrome to use it.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
We have a parliamentary democracy – we don’t vote for the PM – we vote for parties who in turn choose their PM and cabinet –
Which is why I have been so incensed at the concept of "Team Key".
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
the concept of "Team Key"
All the literature that has made it to my letterbox in the last month looks like it has been through a "s/National/John Key's National/g" script.
John Key's National Government. John Key's National-led. John Key's National Party. The John Key's National policies.
They threw every single egg into the same basket, that's fo' sho'.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Gold, myrrh and frank...
...incensed at the concept of “Team Key”
I liked that Glenn Greenwald at the 'Event' only called him
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
They threw every single egg into the same basket,
My Granny always said that was the best thing to do, saved having two baskets to carry. She also said "Everybody loves a smart arse" and "When in Rome.... fiddle" she would have loved John Key.
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nzlemming, in reply to
Is it just me or was that a total non sequiter?
Par for the (golf) course on Planet Key
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Yes that’s a bit of a bummer about kelvin Davis. I am going to vote for IM anyway. Bugger the polsters.
You rebel you ;). T'was up in the big K the other day, so was John Campbell TV crew doing their lolly poll for Te Tai Tokerau (sp ?))seat. the lolly jar on Hones was spilling all over the table kelvin had a few. When it was reported a couple of days later,there was no indication of what I saw to be true. Don't give up yet . IM are very popular in Kaitaia.
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Oh the irony.
Vote for a Labour candidate in TeTaiTokerau to kill IM and boost the chances of a coalition of the right.
Vote for a National candidate in Epsom to kill ACT and boost the chances of a coalition of the left. -
Ian Dalziel, in reply to
the bogey man…
Par for the (golf) course on Planet Key
…that’ll be the Stableford he’s playing.
Stableford can have the added benefit of speeding up the pace of play, as once it is no longer possible to score a point, a player does not have to complete the hole but can simply pick up the ball and proceed to the next hole.
It is a popular form of the game, especially at club level as it is still possible to record a competitive score despite having the occasional bad hole.Gotta watch that Bunker Mentality though…
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
Over the last week or so I’ve been gradually growing a Greasemonkey script that adds a little “Ignore” button next to posts. When you click the button, it hides all other posts by that user afterwards, as well as any direct replies to them.
How about that, it's just like the little pest had been whacked with a concrete jandal, as they say in Samoa.You have my heartfelt gratitude.
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stephen clover, in reply to
In relation to this, I’d contend that John Key isn’t leading National at all, at least in a traditional way. Sure, he’s the party leader and the PM, but his main criteria for selection has been as a marketing figurehead to sit in front.
Exactly. He’s basically a very powerful mascot. I for one am rather looking forward to the entertainment when he becomes a liability and gets thrown under the bus.
This thread has some incredibly good writing in it; congrats all round & keep it up! I would also add: I suspect the most effective way of dealing with a troll of “Jake Starrow”’s* persistence is literally to ignore him. He will eventually literally go away.
*I’m sure I detect David Farrar’s cadences in some of his utterances, but that could be wishful thinking and an over-eager imagination.
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