Hard News: Vision and dumbassery
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mark taslov, in reply to
i.e. "over-stayer"/"Obese German"/"Kim the Kraut".
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Actually I just think the conclusions she draws are very very obviously false
So, can you just say that without doubling down on the mental health shaming slurs? Because, frankly, it's getting as tired as a certain party's gratuitous references to Kim Dotcom's weight and nationality.
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Greg Dawson, in reply to
In fact he got treated in the exact same way has Key has treated Hager and Greenwald.
On a related note, the inimitable Mr Tiso commented on Key's transitory "nice guy" sheen in the preface to his post this week.
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Given the correction, Russell, as above: [NB: I am now told it was not Dotcom who supplied the email to the Herald], .. where did David Fisher get the email from, do you know? Seems very strange to me that no one has asked - and the Dotcom camp are staying mum on the fact that it was leaked as well. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders whether the Hollywood execs leaked a "fake" of the "real" as a means to discredit it before the MoT - and hence why the "real" was pulled from the presso at the last minute and subsequently referred to Parliament.
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nzlemming, in reply to
FranO’s not stupid, she just has vested interests with multi-nationals
Thank you Red, I did not know that.
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st ephen, in reply to
That NewZealandInc felt the thoughts of Michael Basset were worth posting says it all really:
You have to feel sorry for John Key that he’s been subjected to so many off-stage alarums and excursions during this, the dirtiest election campaign of my lifetime. It started with Hager’s Dirty Tricks book, dropped close to the campaign, leaving insufficient time to check the details. Hager calculated on our media being sufficiently full of gullible journalists who would fall for his careful selection of stolen emails. But the public became more and more angry and all but a few journalists backed off after a week.
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
Bassett would know. No doubt he “calculated on our media being sufficiently full of gullible journalists” when he crafted the hapless Don Brash’s Orewa speech.
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Alfie, in reply to
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders whether the Hollywood execs leaked a "fake" of the "real" as a means to discredit it before the MoT - and hence why the "real" was pulled from the presso at the last minute and subsequently referred to Parliament.
Thanks Katherine. As conspiracy theories go, that one makes a lot of sense. It would explain why the email was dropped from Monday's event, and how Fisher alone mysteriously received the document.
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Jake Starrow, in reply to
Ok Danielle, I will comply. But I suspect the man is running on empty in terms of his credibility and the electorate's tolerance-levels. Kim Schmidt blew that Moment Of Truth" opportunity is an acute case of over-promising and under-delivering. Even his most fervent disciples are sounding confused and dismayed. And his own personal nightmare will be playing out along the lines of "how did I bungle that and in effect, give my dreaded foe, John Key a leg up?
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Jake Starrow, in reply to
Is that you in the photo?
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Danielle, in reply to
Oh FFS. Do we *have* to do Being a Woman on the Internet *here*?
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Oh Danielle. Why assume a gratuitous remark when no offence was intended? I collect photography, mainly black and white, but simply think that shot is clever and dare I say captivating in terms of composition and colour....all conveyed in such a tiny image. But mortal enemies we shall remain!
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It sometimes occurs to me that even asking a strident feminist the time has its risks.
As in expecting twisted retorts like " I suppose you think women should automatically know the time" ...or " why assume a woman should know when you don't." Greer would be proud. -
giovanni tiso, in reply to
It sometimes occurs to me that even asking a strident feminist the time has its risks
Don't worry, men think you're an imbecile too.
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linger, in reply to
+1. I for one am getting tired of playing Troll Bingo.
[Sigh: see below. More gratuitous, irrelevant ad hominems. Grow up already, dude.] -
Jake Starrow, in reply to
An Italian Marxist abusing a 4th generation Kiwi? That resonates about as loudly as Kim Schmidt pleading to be take seriously. I might ask Snowden if he can help me check your papers.
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Dean Wallis, in reply to
Grow up son.
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Jake - PA is an environment where we're all fairly familiar with each other, we've argued just about everything to death for more than a decade - as such we're pretty familiar with people coming in and astro-turfing, we've seen it over and over again, it got tiresome long ago.
Have a look at your latest post it says "Since Sep 2014 • 47 posts" (all in the past week), and look at Danielle's it says "Since Nov 2006 • 3646 posts " she's likely been posting even longer because we only started counting in Nov 2006.
So as an obvious newbie here you do have a higher bar to jump if you want to be credible - you start again with your real name, you could go out of your way to be polite, you could listen to others for a while without telling them - I'm sure you get the idea ... did I mention the being polite bit, the listening to others bit .... they're an important part of why this place is a fun and interesting place to be .... what it isn't is whailoil or kiwblog
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Danielle, in reply to
Do you get these posts from Penguin's Big Book of Tiresome Rightie Clichés?
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But guys, remember, it's just that JaJerSamAdam espouses such edgy original and controversial opinions. Like, "That John Key, he seems nice," and "Man, feminists, so humourless, amiright?"
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Greg Dawson, in reply to
An Italian Marxist abusing a 4th generation Kiwi? That resonates about as loudly as Kim Schmidt pleading to be take seriously. I might ask Snowden if he can help me check your papers.
This isn't the first time it's come up - there seems to be a growing trend of petty nationalism (and racism, and sexism) across the majority of western democracies, at least since the GFC, and in direct reversal of what had seemed to be a trend away from nationalism in the decade prior. It's an interesting and depressing trend.
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I've set out to contribute respectfully and reasonably and intelligently today which I have. And any quick reference to the last few hours will reveal the fairly substantial amount of abuse I've received in return. And when I snap back on occasion, out come the knives. Do many of you find it nigh on impossible to tolerate input from someone not part of the predominate persuasion?
But don't you think it all a little dull if all that transpired was mass agreement?
On whatever grounds you attack me, it is patently clear it's what I defend, not what or how I say it that really bugs you. Don't be so afraid. Eliminate the risk of this wonderful site becoming just a forum for lemming-like zealots. -
Greg Dawson, in reply to
But guys, remember, it’s just that JaJerSamAdam espouses such edgy original and controversial opinions. Like, “That John Key, he seems nice,” and “Man, feminists, so humourless, amiright?”
Careful – if you’re too mean he’ll slip back into aposiopesic fits of apoplexy, and then his barrage of posts will take even longer to scroll past.
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
Thanks, Alfie. I've asked it on three other sites too on posts by the following journalists: David Fisher, Tim Watkin and Bernard Hickey - so far everyone's mum as to Fisher's source and indeed Russell is the only one who has included a correction to the assumption that it came from Dotcom himself. As I suggested on Hickey's article - if the Hollywood execs faked their own email - the story would be bigger than Ben Hur :-)!!! What will I do for entertainment when this election campaign is over, eh?
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
mental health shaming slurs
Ok Craig, on that call I'll accept fault. I also think it was pretty damn clear from my post that I thought neither of those things were reasonable explanations but you are right, even as a light hearted contrast to the more reasonable explanations I was wrong to use them.
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