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Speaker: Rewarding competence

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  • Geoff Lealand,

    Great stuff, Joshua. I helped with Jamie Strange’s campaign in Hamilton East and it quickly became apparent that there was little desire for any power returning to the Nats. Both Hamilton electorates are now Labour-held, and this follows on from last year’s local body election, where a bunch of reactionaries were turfed out.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2560 posts Report Reply

  • Thomas Lumley,

    I agree completely about the polling exegeses, but I'm going to complain about "admiring write-ups in publications like The Lancet."

    That paper was in the journal The Lancet Public Health, which describes itself as " an online-only, open access title in The Lancet's growing family of specialty journals," not The Lancet (founded in 1823, world-famous even in New Zealand).

    Also, the paper was written by a bunch of Kiwi scientists, at least some of whom were involved with the NZ Covid response as advisers. So while they're right that the NZ response was excellent, it's not really an independent external confirmation.

    Auckland • Since Feb 2013 • 49 posts Report Reply

  • Bevan,

    This was good, although I would argue the swing to left us because Labour has demonstrated the power of a successful collective repsonse to issues.
    The "market" can't protect us from Covid, just as it can't solve every problem.
    The swing to the right of the past 30 years has stopped and gone back the other way in 2020.
    We need government to fix the big issues - climate change, housing, inequality, etc.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2013 • 17 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen D, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Similar here in Whangaparaoa. A lot of split voting, National for the electorate, Labour for the party.

    Orewa • Since May 2020 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    A hell of a lot of people who have voted National for a long time must have switched to Labour. We may eventually have sound evidence as to why this happened, but I'd think that keeping the Greens out of government is a believable motivation for a lot of people. Along with many other reasons, but it would be the world's biggest coincidence if the lion's share of them wasn't Covid-related in one way or another, as Labour's meteoric rise concided exactly with the pandemic hysteria and there has been basically no other news this year.

    Right wing pundits certainly have more than their fair share of idiots. It's a great pity that they are pretty much the only people left that are openly critical of the government any more. I personally would not be singing this government's praise on it's profound left-wing acheivements, most especially not it's authoritarian response to the pandemic, which was a victory for the complete absence of any sensible democratic debate. The ensuing unprecedented destruction of the economy and entire sectors within it is not likely to be fantastic for any left wing spending programme.

    Suggesting that the government is now on the verge of taking major action over climate change is particularly fanciful. They literally do not need to go into coalition with the Greens and pretty clearly are not going to. Climate change is not a major hobby horse of Labour's and it certainly is not a major hobby horse of their new found voter support from NZF and National voters. And yes, I too heard Ardern's loud dogwhistle in her victory speech for that new support base. Expect Covid to be the Government's entire priority for another year. I don't think they'll be able to milk 3 years out of it, though, by which time we will certainly see if any major inroads into anything even vaguely resembling left-wing reform actually have materialized. I'm not hopeful. Not even slightly.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10655 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to BenWilson,

    Yes, since the National support bled out about equally towards ACT (of all lunatic lost causes), it indicates lack of confidence in National rather than a swing to support any particular policy of the Left. I will be pleasantly surprised if Labour is anything more than a do-nothing government on anything I care about. And, with no coalition partners to blame for lack of action, it'll be entirely Labour's fault if nothing gets done.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1934 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to linger,

    since the National support bled out about equally towards ACT (of all lunatic lost causes), it indicates lack of confidence in National rather than a swing to support any particular policy of the Left.

    Well apart from their policy of making Covid 19 the only thing anyone could think about all year, which worked out extremely well for Labour. National had nowhere to go because they were outflanked on the right by Labour. They thought they were the party of harsh measures, but they were amateur hour. So yeah..competence. Be careful what you wish for, because people doing the wrong things with high levels of competence isn't a first in human history and it seldom goes well in the long run. I've never felt less politically engaged, because our democracy showed its yellow stripes big time this year. It's the first time I've felt truly embarrassed to be a New Zealander.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10655 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    it’s authoritarian response to the pandemic, which was a victory for the complete absence of any sensible democratic debate.

    The govt created a specific select committee to provide a venue for that debate. They are not responsible for what chair Simon Bridges did with it.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19729 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to BenWilson,

    It’s the first time I’ve felt truly embarrassed to be a New Zealander.

    Me too.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,


    I’m feeling proud now.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Thomas Lumley,

    I fail to see the relevance of your spurious cavil regarding The Lancet Public Health article.
    The Lancet Public Health is one of many specialist titles under the umbrella of The Lancet and all are held to the same high standards - "as trusted sources of information, the Lancet journals set extremely high standards for publishing, and we are committed to ensuring that our editorial processes meet our standards of excellence. "
    Ergo the content of The Lancet Public Health is in no way a diminished or somehow less reliable source of quality information or comment.

    I am puzzled by why you would try to blatantly claim or infer such a thing.

    Others may also be interested in this fine piece from the same source about Lessons from New Zealand's COVID-19 outbreak response
    (NB the author Alexis Robert is affiliated with the Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London - no alleged log-rolling there then)

    and from another journal under the same umbrella - The Lancet Regional Health Western Pacific there is this fine analysis of NZ and Taiwan's responses and yes, naturally there are New Zealand and Taiwanese authors - one of which is Dr Lucy Telfar Barnard, a long time member of this parish I believe.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7948 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Lewis C. Mainzer...


    The monarch butterfly has come
    to rule upon a purple throne
    of stately phlox
    in palace gardens bronze and green.
    No law prescribes what's orthodox,
    no guards attend, no horse, no arms,
    no peasants cower in their farms,
    no blood avenges ancient harms
    for this late-summer king and queen.
    Their reign is brief. but all serene.
    What can such gentle governing mean?

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    So the nice Mister Key… Sorry, that kind Miss Ardern banned people entering the country from India. Dr Josephine Varghese Speaks about this in conjunction with the PeoplesVaccine plea to relax IP laws on Covid vaccines, which New Zealand refused to support.

    In a nutshell, our Government isn’t kind, it’s racist and mean.

    Debora Russell MP, has used Twitter to link Siouxsie Wiles Spinoff article with used scientific data, and celebrity personality to justify the Governments actions. And of corse, because Debora Russell is into home cooking (because she owns one or two homes and what ever is hidden in the family trust) everyone is like “we love you”. And don’t give those actual Indian people another thought.

    The cold reality is that New Zealand is fucked. We are not the egalitarian people we where. We import human beings to do our dirty work. We pay them as little as possible and take most of it back in rents. We ran out of housing, so where building boxes stacked to fit lots of “essential workers” and vulnerable disabled people into only because it looks good on paper. Those tiny tenement blocks, which is what they really are, and they are actually just the same as those horrible old ones you don’t want your children hanging around unsupervised – make you feel all good inside, correct? that’s because you don’t have to live in one, and you calculate that you are going to win a Twitter argument by sighting the numbers built, and how that data alone makes us lovely people, and we can now go for coffee.

    What Covid showed us, is that we are a divided and selfish nation. We are not egalitarian. We have the essential workers such as the bus drivers being bullied on the internet by this high celery erning cyclists, Felix Marwick, who films his bus just driving along the road and within the proper lane markings. Felix is obviously wanting to exercise his right to share the road, but without any consideration of what it is to manoeuvre an eighteen ton bus thru the narrow streets of Wellington. That if you add the split shift time sitting in the depo, from before dawn till after dark, and for just a fraction above the minimum wage. factor in this guy might have a family, no savings and two weeks wages away from being evicted from an over priced rental. Someone commented on Twitter ” he should be made to ride a bicycle around town for a day” that person works as a policy analyst for the government. We are truely in bad shape. Russell Brown blurted out on Twitter that the drivers actions where totally unacceptable. Russell, spent a day driving a bus, and maybe you’ll understand.

    Well, thats about me. See you all in another few months, maybe. I definitely not going to sign up to Twitter. Looking in from outside the algorithm isn’t pretty. I’d say, when people use @ as the syntax to address other people, they have no intention of listening to anything..

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    New Zealand Labour Party ( our government ) is announcing its exciting new heath policy revamp on Facebook. there will be balloons and party hats. https://twitter.com/nzlabour/status/1384399978261532673

    And its MPs are marketing that very exciting and healthy announcement on Twitter because Twitter has a passive audience who are easily manipulated by marketing professionals.

    It will possibly be picked up by the adult media and anecdotes of it might be published on hard copy for the 700.000 odd people who are digital technology illiterate.

    Facebook is an organisation who have a reputation for attacking democracies with illegally funded propaganda. Such as what’s happened in the US and Britten.

    Facebooks crimes are real. The damage is real.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I could get a Facebook account, and a Twitter account to direct traffic.

    Any idiot can do that.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Word on the Twitter – sphere, is that the Labour Party ( government) Facebook announcement might also be reported on outside of its official Facebook election campaign page.

    The Twitter sphere is also a hum of virtues comments about Facebook sucks.

    Imagine going on Twitter to say you don’t have a Facebook account:-)

    I'm more the homeless guy on the internet who has turned feral and snarls at the lack of cigaret buts on the street.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    Great to see you still here, but if the party (and the Party) is on Facebook, and this place is left to "ferals", spambots, cockroaches, and the occasional lawyer ... doesn’t that mean Facebook is winning on both counts?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1934 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    like stumbling across another urban explorer ransacking an abandoned hospital searching for scrap metal but carrying a camera as a cover story in case the cops show up, good to see you too.

    Facebook has won the minds and souls of millions of people yes. I don’t have any idea what’s in there since someone directed me to a local page that had photographic footage of my car with its roof loaded with building materials. The main commentary was that I must be from a “third world” country and should be sent home ect.

    Twitter is a different beast. I’ve been reading but not commenting. It’s teaching me about how reactionary I am. I constantly reach for the keyboard then remember I’m not registered to comment. Then after a few minutes I realise how banal but polite the whole thing is so go and make another cup of tea.

    I met a guy (in real life) at a symposium. He was an archivist for Frank Zapper then got into this book club thing where all the members would read the first page together then go and not read the book. They would meet once a month and talk about not reading the book. Thats not a silly thing to do.

    Nothing wrong with social media, but full emersion with out question, is kind of stupid for a whole bunch of reasons.

    Lemmy from Motorhead spent his old age sitting on a pokey machine, probably suffering loneliness. Could happen to anyone.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

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