Legal Beagle by Graeme Edgeler

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Legal Beagle: All is Forgiven, or: The Happy Consensus

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  • Paul Campbell,

    yup - the right response to the national front's bile is not to shut them up - but more speech, call them on their crap publicly - those people out demonstrating at NF marches are the real heroes, they understand

    You don't shut people up and lock them in a corner, you let the sun shine in

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    Could we raise the bar as to what constitutes a national party at least? You'd think that a reasonable number of paid up members would be a honest prerequisite and weed out some of the fringes (and I say that as a lifelong holder of fringe political ideas).

    The bar is currently set at 500 members, which is a lot harder then it sounds. There are only 19 registered parties, which is not an enormous number. And at least four of them (the two jokes, the Family and Pacific parties) are almost certain to disappear by the next election.

    (Sorry, this is part of my geekdom. Not to mention something I contribute to on wikipedia)

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1716 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    You don't shut people up and lock them in a corner, you let the sun shine in

    Vampires flee the sun.

    Speakign of which, has anyone seen Roger Douglas in daylight recently?

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1716 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Could we raise the bar as to what constitutes a national party at least? You'd think that a reasonable number of paid up members would be a honest prerequisite and weed out some of the fringes (and I say that as a lifelong holder of fringe political ideas).

    As much as it would be nice to have an independent review board of the wacky fringes, not sure it is possible, with that whole human rights thing being slightly compromised. [redacted]

    Turns out the McGillicuddys disappeared after 1999. Sorry, I didn't notice for some reason. Must have been lack of equitable funding.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • David Cauchi,

    The bar is currently set at 500 members, which is a lot harder then it sounds.

    You can, however, stand as an electorate candidate for an unregistered political party, which is what I intend to do next year.

    As an art project.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2007 • 121 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    I don't see why you would. The amount of money donated to Greenpeace, some of which goes to the Vote for the Environment Campaign, which ranks the parties on environmental policies and tends to give the Greens the highest score isn't figured into how much they get.

    Because some people view politicians as lying, worthless, two faced, ammoral wind-bags and think their subsequent election is at best a necessary evil. These people prefer to engage in politics in ways that do not involve handing money directly to politicians, but they still vote.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    How about this?.
    No Party is allowed to spend more than 5% more than the median amount spent by all parties.
    Think about it.
    When your head stops hurting from the unfathomable variables you will see that if this were a law it would be totally stupid and unworkable, therefore in keeping with all other electoral funding law.
    Anyway, it doesn't matter because we are all Ignorant apparently.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Graeme, I meant editorials of the major dailies around election time. In 1987 they were supportive of Labour, not surprisingly, but very rarely since.

    1987 Labour were left wing?

    Turns out the McGillicuddys disappeared after 1999. Sorry, I didn't notice for some reason. Must have been lack of equitable funding.

    They got tired. And as my ex-flatmate and local candidate pointed out, it became difficult to come up with stupid shit that was weirder than some of the things that some of the mainstream parties were coming up with.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Um - at least one of the McGillicuddys is currently in parliament, a party leader no less

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    These people prefer to engage in politics in ways that do not involve handing money directly to politicians, but they still vote.

    Sure.

    I'm just not sure why this means I should include money given to MoveOn.org in assessing the amount of money Obama received in donations.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3207 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    speaking of art projects .... years ago state servants got 2 weeks off with pay if they ran for parliament .... but the deposit for an election was way less than 2 weeks pay at the time .... we had visions of 1000 people changing their name to "Rob Muldoon" and running in Tamaki ...

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Um - at least one of the McGillicuddys is currently in parliament, a party leader no less

    So there is! It's not easy being green. Guess she wasn't part of the 'Great leap Backwards' movement then.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    we are all Ignorant apparently

    and don't forget "venal"

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    This was compared to strapping a chicken to a table, shooting it at point-blank range with a shotgun, and concluding "shotguns kill chickens".

    In order to test this, I went out into my formerly well chickened yard with my faithful 12 gauge and conducted some experiments:

    - point-blank, chicken restrained - successful kill, meat not suitable for consumption due to excessive shot content

    - 10m, chicken restrained, successful kill, again excessive shot content, possibly smaller choke could be considered in future

    - 20m, chicken restrained, successful kill

    - 50m, chicken restrained, successful kill on second shot

    - point-blank, chicken unrestrained, successful kill, see above on shot content

    - 20m, chicken unrestrained, successful kill

    At this point experiments had to be abandoned as remaining chickens were cowering in coop, and were thus no longer capable of individual targetting.

    I would however conclude that "shotguns kill chickens" although they are not perhaps an optimal method should one wish to eat the meat.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    Rich: yes, the metaphor leaves a little to be desired. It breaks down because chickens are not usually invisible, equipped with ECM, or hunted in the dark at maximum range.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1716 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    Nuclear armed, radar stealthed chickens dive bombing at Mach 5 vs sharks with frikk'n lasers.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    I'm just not sure why this means I should include money given to MoveOn.org in assessing the amount of money Obama received in donations.

    Which you can't do, because George Soros' $millions only come with one vote attached.

    Assessing a candidates popularity based on their campaign budget/$2000 is not real accurate, because the popularity is both their positives and the other candidates negatives.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Well, I didn't want to pick on anyone, but it was Keir:

    Thanks for the clarification, but I have to say that Keir's much more nuanced statements didn't seemed to be saying that he opposed the idea of equal caps. It was just about the logic of raising them without raising allocations. I took that to mean that he presumed very high caps would be about as unfair as no caps, in favor of the parties with wealthy support.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    his name was Rodney Donald, his name was Rodney Donald...

    Mawkland • Since Jan 2010 • 1302 posts Report Reply

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