Hard News: Women and their representations
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I was wondering why they chose Lorraine Downs for the cover. Pity they couldn’t have featured one of the 10 influential women eh? Great topic for Media7.
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Sian Elias would have been one of my picks, but that is a list to be proud of.
Very true about women's magazines - nothing but pages and pages of ads tied in together with articles designed to set out reasons why you need to buy from said ads. It's perfect synergy.
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Why only 10? I would have gone for 100 influential women!
And why not some who are at the cutting edge now – like Vicki Buck with her biofuel company. She was recently mentioned in the Guardian’s list of 50 people who could save the planet.
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Gossip and beauty magazines sometimes do have worthy articles, but those are pretty much drowned out (and often, contradicted) by the tide of anxiety-inducing advertising.
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Jean Batten ? Celebrity culture wasnt just a recent invention. After the war she only made one appearance in NZ and lived as a recluse overseas- not that there is anything wrong with that
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JacksonP, in reply to
Sian Elias would have been one of my picks, but that is a list to be proud of.
I’d agree with that. Would be nice to see a few more in the arts area too. And what about our female broadcasters? Angela D'Audney, for starters.
As Lilith said, a hundred wouldn’t take long.
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Patrick Xavier, in reply to
... over lunch...."
Be fair, JP.
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JacksonP, in reply to
Be fair, JP.
I was assuming it was a long lunch. For no good reason I must admit. ;-)
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It's very much a list of the late 20th century. What about the missionary wives and the wives of politicians (like Janet Fraser) who influenced the men who were the public figures. What about Princess Te Puea and Elsie Locke? What about those who shape the literary imagination of NZ's children such as Margaret Mahy, Linley Dodd and Beverley Randall?
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Well, if you decide to pick 10 politicians, 10 writers, 10 artists, 10 musical performers, 10 scientists, 10 sportspeople, 10 businesspeople, 10 actresses, 10 community leaders and 10 other notables...there's 100 right there. Not a time-consuming exercise! I reckon I could do that over lunch with a couple of buddies easily. Only time would be arguing who to include and who not to!
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Sacha, in reply to
.. then take that further by approaching those still alive about making themselves available for expert panels for TV shows/conferences and suchlike (as discussed).
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Yikes. There’s more: a similar survey by the magazine earlier in the year found that 86% of women think about their weight every day.
This isn't news to any woman. The words "weight loss" are so ingrained in our culture. Every one talks about losing weight, and even when women are strong feminists, fantastic mothers, admirable employers/ees - yes, they still talk about the parts of their bodies they hate. Now that's a discussion I'd like to see. How the MSM actively engages in feeding womens' hate of, and disconnection from, their own bodies.
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TV, radio, not actresses.
Angela D'Audney
Judy Bailey
Carol Hirschfeld
Kim Hill
Melanie Reid
Anita McNaught
Karyn Hay
Cathy CampbellI got to 8. And I haven't even had lunch yet. (timezone trick)
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Lilith __, in reply to
Yeah, I realised I'd left out journalists and broadcasters. Maybe we'd better make it 110, or 120! Interesting to note Sylvia Cartwright made the WW top 10 but not Sandra Coney.
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Oh, and 10 lawyers and judges!
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Jackie Clark, in reply to
I'd say Sandra Coney changed the medical game completely.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I got to 8. And I haven’t even had lunch yet. (timezone trick)
You left out the greatest of them all: the amazing Shirley Maddock, who produced the first NZ TV documentaries --- and made the bloody tea.
Also: she's Jolisa's late mother-in-law. Jolisa will complete Shirley's unfinished memoir one day ...
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Who remembers that bumper sticker from the 1980s, "Girls Can Do Anything!" ?
I remember Dale Spender saying that it should be, "Girls Have Done Everything!”
This is why I’d rather have a long list: because high achievement isn’t some freakish thing. All kids should be aspiring to it. -
Jackie Clark, in reply to
And she was an alumni of my old school, Marsden. She came and spoke to us once about her work. As did another alumni, Shirley Tonkin, who should also appear on a list somewhere.
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Ummm... it's 11, not 10 unless the Topp Twins have been recently co-joined.
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chris, in reply to
The words “weight loss” are so ingrained in our culture. Every one talks about losing weight,
It's horrifying the way this ideal pervades, I got so self conscious I had to stop reading Graeme Tuckett's reviews:
"flabby-minded thinking of the worst kind".
some flabby direction and uncommitted support work
The twists are flabby and often pointless
Some names I'd have liked to have seen: Norma McCulloch, Frances Hodgkins, Robin Hyde and Keri Hulme. I'm pleased Georgina Beyer was involved, and yes to Margaret Mahy Hillary!
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Ummm… it’s 11, not 10 unless the Topp Twins have been recently co-joined.
Yes. They note that in the mag.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Now that’s a discussion I’d like to see. How the MSM actively engages in feeding womens’ hate of, and disconnection from, their own bodies.
The thing is, of course, that most of that happens in the so-called "women's magazines", which are universally edited by women, almost always overseen by women publishers, and purchased in huge numbers by women.
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Awesome celebrity profile headline. Punctuation does matter!
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A lot of the body policing also happens in movies and on TV, where only certain types of bodies get shown.
I think that there’s something to be said about the kyriarchy (patterns of lordship and dominance that structure our societies i.e. roughly the patriarchy, but using a term that acknowledges the interweaving patterns of dominance – class, sex, gender, sexuality, race, ability/disability – rather than focusing on just one aspect of dominance). Kyriarchy is pervaisve, and hard to escape, and we’re soaking in it. I don’t buy “women’s magazines” for precisely the reason that they are full of body-policing (breaking down the kyriarchy, one step at a time), but it really pisses me off when the “lifestyle” section in my daily newspaper starts in on the body policing as well.
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