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  • steven crawford,

    Dominant Male parks his ute down a side street and walks around the corner to the school hall.

    Hang on, let me sort that out. It's a ministerial car not a ute.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to steven crawford,

    Hang on, let me sort that out. It’s a ministerial car not a ute.

    Under Tom Semmens's dictatorship of the Waitakere Man proletariat it'd be a ministerial ute.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Your tone makes me assume that for you, abuse is something very abstract, something it's okay to play thought-experiment hypotheticals with.

    Whoa! I'm not condoning domestic abuse and I'm sorry if I gave you that impression Emma. To be truthful I was thinking more about voting fraud and hadn't even considered that angle. To be clear -- I find domestic abuse abhorent.

    On Saturday, I had a guy moved away from standing over his wife while she voted.

    I've voted in more than ten elections now and I've never observed the type of behaviour you describe. When my daughter and I voted on Saturday -- it was her first election -- we were chatting and joking with the electoral staff. Maybe I've always lived in nice neighbourhoods, but the process of voting has always been a pleasant experience for me.

    I accept your point that online voting would make that type of influence easier for an abuser. But don't the males you're describing already exert a high level of psychological control over their victims? Intimidation is a powerful thing and I'm sure that "She votes the way I tell her" already happens within our current system.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1435 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    You don't seem particularly interested in reading any of the objections raised. For example, Emma wrote...

    Give me time, Chris. I've been outside dealing with overflowing water tanks.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1435 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Alfie,

    Right as rain...

    ...overflowing water tanks

    I'd be hanging on to that surplus water, John and the Boys will be wanting to privatise or charge for that quick smart (except the free dairy irrigation water of course).
    It'll cost an RMA and a leg in the future...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Under Tom Semmens’s dictatorship of the Waitakere Man proletariat it’d be a ministerial ute.

    He's going to need penis instruction from here then

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to steven crawford,

    He’s going to need penis instruction from here then

    What a goldmine of studliness, really I had no idea.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • tussock, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    I think the "internet voting will raise turnout" idea assumes that

    assumes that people will be stupid enough to let a few computer hackers decide the election results. It is completely insane. Not to mention the million people in the US with top secret clearance who just saw who you voted for and had to think about if they really liked that, and if it could be used against you.

    People aren't turning out because there's no one they want to vote for and no one they want to vote against. It's just that fucking simple.

    Since Nov 2006 • 610 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Steven, that was truly awful. Blubber everywhere... yuk..

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    The Nice Mr Key© has told you before, that it’s ‘Mum & Dad investors’ who should benefit, them and other fey rich white people

    That Mr Key has definitely put me in a fey mood </df joke>

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Alfie,

    I’ve voted in more than ten elections now and I’ve never observed the type of behaviour you describe.

    So let's be generous and say, over all that time, about three hours in a voting place? So, about 1/3 of one voting day?

    Maybe I’ve always lived in nice neighbourhoods

    Because abuse never happens in nice neighbourhoods.

    I accept your point that online voting would make that type of influence easier for an abuser.

    I really wish you'd stop there. Because that point is inarguable. Easier. Not suddenly possibly for the first time, but far, far easier. So now the question you have to ask isn't "But what about *hypothetical*?" It's "Do I consider a possible theoretical rise in voter turnout worth chucking those women under the electronic voting bus?" It's a pretty simple question.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • tussock, in reply to Richard Grevers,

    That isn't simply unfit to be a minister, but unfit to be an MP, and should lead to criminal charges.

    There's truth in that Labour, when attacking female MPs from across the floor, need to let their female MPs do that, rather than one of their notorious misogynist males. Because even if he does it cleanly, what a lot of people are going to see is that guy hanging shit on a woman, again.

    We do, after all, have a very large population of old folk who believe very strongly in manners and shit, and they all vote.

    Since Nov 2006 • 610 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to tussock,

    a very large population of old folk who believe very strongly in manners and shit, and they all vote.

    do we know the make-up of the million that didn't vote?
    or are they all shambling across the desert road plateau, looking for 'brainzzz'...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    A government won’t often lose an election in the midst of an economic boom (even if I think it might end any day now).

    It happened with John Major in Britain in 1997. He ran into a perfect storm - the Black Wednesday currency debacle, factionalism over the EU, sleaze investigations, and of course an invigorated and unified New Labour. Even then, I'm sceptical that a Blairist approach is the only way forward for its NZ counterpart.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    Lots of black stickers to peel off.

    And very much illegal. The rules for handling the ballot papers are quite strict, you can't get hold of them without a court order (or, as Emma said, corrupting the electoral commission) and they are destroyed after six months.

    On the other hand, I've never worked in an IT shop where there weren't large numbers of people with at least read access to sensitive data and equally, very few with (working) safeguards to stop you walking out of the door with a phone or memory stick full of goodies. (Actually, this place is about the only one. Copper lined rooms with datalocks).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    fortification and mortifiction...

    Actually, this place is about the only one.
    Copper lined rooms with datalocks

    Oh great!
    Now it's on my permanent search record, that I looked up info about a highly classified defence base - bugger!
    I walked right into into that Faraday Cage.!

    ... or did you mean there was a blue halo of policemen at the edges?

    I wonder if a tress-passer
    could turn a datalock
    into a comb over?

    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Sanya Baker, in reply to Amanda Wreckonwith,

    Interesting; I was on the receiving end of the exact same polling question a year or so ago. It send cold shivers through me then.

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Dec 2011 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • Jarno van der Linden, in reply to tussock,

    Not to mention the million people in the US with top secret clearance who just saw who you voted for

    Given that GCHQ engages in manipulating online polls I think there is a real danger that it can escalate to tweaking an election just a bit to keep certain parties which may prove a bit of a bother to the five eyes or TPPA below the 5% threshold for example.
    One or two seats is all it takes to change a bothersome coalition into a single party government.

    With any changes to the democratic process, one shouldn't only consider trust and capabilities of today's governments, but also those in 3 years' time, and 20 years.

    Nelson • Since Oct 2007 • 82 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    PS I can imagine an audio version of this visceral requiem for lost innocence and the new age – “a Howl out on Highway 1’ – having quite an impact…

    As with any eulogy, it’s not the words that matter so much as the sentiment itself, and as with any eulogy the impact it has on the corpse is never a consideration.

    Fascist apologists like Farmer Green, happy for just you know whatever, do wonders to exhume any negative connotations one might have with the word German:

    And there is no way back now.

    And then everyone else still waffling on about voting, voting red, voting blue, voting green, voting yellow; All but one of the leading parties was a vote for fascism. A vote for Labour was a vote for jumping into the fight against the arrested, spied on, and giving him a good kick in the face. Labour was at one point pro civil liberties yeah?

    David Cunliffe has delivered a belated acknowledgement that it was a mistake not to work more closely with the Green Party and lashed out at Kim Dotcom as “reprehensible."

    And so hell why not but:

    Cunliffe has grown on me during the campaign

    Cunliffe is John Kerry. At least there’s no doubt which side of the fence this community represents: The anti-immigrants. Another vote against an integrated citizenry, a vote for the nation where “the Chinese”, “The German” are second class citizens stripped of their right not to be spied on and fair game to be arrested for committing no crime.

    [Robot voice]
    Must build more houses
    Must tax property speculators
    Must raise minimum wage

    Oh but numbers Duke! We are so righteous, it’s not our people being arrested yet.
    And someone pipes up:

    As Chris points out we also now have to consider the NSA/GCSB.

    If you’d ever bothered to read the law, you’ve been fair game since 2003.

    All I can fairly gauge is that most probably next to none of you standing idly by have ever spent time in the cells, never been commanded to remove your laces or turn out your pockets, never had your possessions requisitioned by the state, your family traumatized by Government apparatus. These experiences remain rumour, speculation, and foreign. And as long as they’re limited to the foreigners then it’s so easy to keep kidding one another (regardless of what history shows in instances like these) that it’s John Key and National Party who are the problem.

    but yeah on with the numbers, I’m fascinated reading about how the vote was split in Na Zi

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to mark taslov,

    [Dalek voice]
    Must build more houses
    Must tax property speculators
    Must raise minimum wage
    Exterminate... Exterminate...
    Self destruct...
    Self destruct....

    Fuxed it for you :-P

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    Not strictly relevant, but racism and xenophobia are an issue.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Thanks Steve, Lorde’s offer to be the queen bee was snapped up by the drones. I actually thought it was a comedy song at first, cos when I’d called the people drones in 2008 Danielle had given me a good telling off.

    Sacha called it; post-modern. musical interactivity at its zenith. The last week, just another Reichstag fire.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Not strictly relevant, but racism and xenophobia are an issue.

    It's ok Chris, the Election is over so the odd threadjack should be fine or I'll eat me hat. Yes racism and xenophobia is all over NZ. I guess it helps to be brown to know what it feels like to be marginalised. Maori feel that everyday. Indian and Asian would certainly get attitude more than say South African and American or English.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Now. To give you all the warm fuzzies there is.....
    This

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

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    I'd rather have this....

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

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