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  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Alfie,

    I can see why some of our top paid (newly rich) sportpeople might be inclined to vote for National. But if you’re an All Black, try to keep your public image clean and non-political, for God’s sake.

    I wonder what Louisa Wall would have to say about that, Alfie.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah, in reply to Farmer Green,

    But I’m in the Rangitikei electorate , and I never heard of Deborah Russell until I read this thread.

    Articles in every local newspaper, advertising in every local newspaper, leaflets into every single letterbox in the electorate, attended every single event I was invited to, set up various events, held about 50 street corner meetings in towns and villages in the electorate, visited schools throughout the electorate, did so much work that the incumbent National MP was forced to lift his game, even had the incumbent National MP saying nice things about me. (I had nice things to say about him too: he is a gentleman, and although we fought hard over policy at debates, all of us in Rangitikei ran a very civil campaign.)

    I really worked hard to get myself known, and judging by the number of people greeting me by name in the last couple of weeks of the campaign, and saying things like, "Hey, you're that Labour lady," I think did pretty well.

    Finding out about candidates in your electorate is a two way responsibility. There was plenty of information out there about me, all of it easily found, and most of it put right in front of people in the electorate.

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1447 posts Report Reply

  • Andre, in reply to Farmer Green,

    In the current climate a third of the electorate doesn't turn up, when media bias and corruption are proven there is no response and any party focused on these 'old' issues is branded as crack-pots.

    New Zealand • Since May 2009 • 365 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite, in reply to Sanya Baker,

    Stop throwing each other under the bus

    +1

    Indeed. There's been a ghoulish hunt for scapegoats already, those perpetrators of "identity politics" who are unsurprisingly the gay, female, the unemployed and the brown. These are the people pushed to the margins, the kind of people Labour was founded to champion, so if you want to see an example of elitist capture...

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I wonder what Louisa Wall would have to say about that, Alfie

    Is she in the current All Black squad?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I wonder what Louisa Wall would have to say about that, Alfie.

    She is far less well-known to the general public than Dagg, Lomu and the gold medal rowing pair that also tweeted they'd voted National.

    All Blacks and Olympic gold medallists receive far more media coverage than netballers (er, I think that's what she played ?).

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    That was good robust look at the electorate. Thanks.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Deborah,

    Deborah , you probably did put something in my mail box , but all the local newspapers I would regard as junk-mail. I never look at them.

    All I was saying was that none of it reached me ; I guess I don't get out much. :-)

    There could be a lot of dairy farmers like that, especially at this time of year.

    My remark was not a criticism of you personally; just stating the fact.
    You might support the same things as I do : I wouldn't know.
    But if you had visited , you wouldn't have been the first Labour politician to do so.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    Wall was a dual international - netball and union.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • JonathanM,

    In case folk are interested, the party vote swing is available here:

    party vote swing

    Large swing against Nats in Christchurch East, Helensville, Rimutaka, but the benefit isn't Labour.

    I'll see if I can pull out the candidate data and do a similar thing sometime this week.

    Since Jul 2012 • 64 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    is which economic baskets to redistribute our eggs into?

    Tourism, New Zealand received 2,699,762 visitors in the year to Nov 2013, Australia received 5.9 million short-term visitors in the 2010-2011 fiscal year, why aren’t we capitalizing on that? Where is New Zealand’s (I know it’s crass but we’re after all only talking about money) Gold Coast. Where is our abusive tourist Minister in all this? Where’s Seaworld? Where’s Dreamworld? And most achingly where is our WB themed Movieworld? Wetaworld?

    Some may say we’re not that kind of market, but you know how things are in Beijing; rollercoasters, Miniworld, Bajiao, Happy Valley. I’m not suggesting environmental destruction, quite the opposite, this kind of thing can be quite sustainable, it just more economic use of suburban land to capitalize on the industry.

    That is if it’s money we want, and jobs….and just maybe, one day, less shit in rivers.
    If we can afford $88b debt, then maybe we could afford an 88b dollar investment, yeah, nah. Personalities. Milk is what we do cos milk is who we are mate.

    fig leaf/____

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Andre,

    There's nowt as queer as folk Andre.

    " a third of the electorate doesn’t turn up, when media bias and corruption are proven there is no response and any party focused on these ‘old’ issues is branded as crack-pots."

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie, in reply to Farmer Green,

    But, ok, Deborah's job is basically to talk to Labour and likely Labour voters in her seat, and make sure they vote (and for her). You aren't in either of those groups, realistically, so I wouldn't expect her to be having many conversations with you. It's nothing personal, but it sounds like she was talking to the right people in Rangitikei.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Farmer Green,

    I’m all for Winston being made Speaker of the House ; he knows where the door is. And it might shut him up , to some extent.

    Yes, and I'm sure Key will try that one on - with the promise of a knighthood to boot. I don't think he'll take it but I do think he'd love to be the Minister of Racing again. Possible double-cross coming up here :-).

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Amanda Wreckonwith, in reply to Farmer Green,

    can’t get enough organic milk powder

    Perhaps if Fonterra hadn’t ballsed up their supply chain by messing with their organic milk contracts they wouldn't be struggling.

    Since Sep 2012 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    OK, I've extrapolated a better estimates of the 2011 potential voter population: 3,326,842. Subtract prisoners, add overseas voters, is 3,378,138.

    Of course, the higher estimated base population figures for make the non-voter percentages even more shocking: 32.4% in 2011, but a massive 37.9% in 2014.

    If anyone can tell me how to upload an image, I can bake some pies...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • JonathanM,

    Interestingly, huge increases in NZFirst party vote in the Māori electorates (3 - 5% absolute)

    Since Jul 2012 • 64 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Winston Peters has said, very loudly and very clearly, that he can't think of any job he'd like less than being Speaker. I don't know why people keep suggesting it.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Alfie,

    Is she in the current All Black squad?

    No, Alfie, but she wasn’t a political eunich when she was a dual international. You’re being as absurd as the people who had a rather unedifying shit fit about professional tennis player Andy Murray posting a pro-Yes Tweet the day of the Scottish referendum, or Robyn Malcolm expressing left-wing political opinion while appearing in partially publicly-funded television and theater.

    Current All Blacks are perfectly entitled to express their political views, just like everyone else. What they’re most certainly NOT entitled to do is break electoral laws while doing so, and that would be no less true if their political leanings were more to your liking.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    In 2011 National got 1,058,636 votes, or 33.7% of the available vote. In 2014 it got 1,010,464 votes, or 31.2% of the the available vote.

    And yet again our media appear to be mathematically challenged.

    That's the generous interpretation - that they are so stupid or lazy they can't add.

    Either that or they are part of the corruption that Hager revealed to us all.

    hmmm I guess I'm a bit grumpy.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4458 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to mark taslov,

    Tourism, yes, but... If Beijing is the example, then I would suggest it's culture and historic sites that draws the big crowds. Happy Valley is just around the corner from me, and I can see it from my classrooms. I walked past it a lot over the summer (less time now that classes have started) and although I did see a lot of people, including some clearly (tour coach licence plates, accents, etc) from out of town, I've never seen anything like the crowds attracted by the Forbidden City, Badaling, etc. Even Jingshan seems to easily match Happy Valley, even if it is only for the tree the last Ming emperor hung himself from and the view over the old city from the top of the hill.

    Air NZ, Whalewatch Kaikoura and others are active on Weibo and elsewhere, Air NZ in old media, too, pushing clean, green NZ. But we do need to keep the environment reasonably clean to keep those tourists coming. Feng Xiaogang recently published an autobiography in which he had nice things to say about a trip to NZ, Yao Chen's Queenstown wedding was popular on Weibo, but you can imagine what would happen if somebody of their stature and influence returned to China talking on Weibo about NZ's lurid green cowshit sodden rivers.

    I have zero faith in the current government to understand any of this.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

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    Winston Peters has said, very loudly and very clearly, that he can’t think of any job he’d like less than being Speaker. I don’t know why people keep suggesting it.

    Because it's been far too long since he did this?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

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    OK, with updated base population figures, here’s the 2011 voter distribution: http://imgur.com/Jr06oVW

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Homer, in reply to mark taslov,

    So basically when a family member dies and leave something of their life’s work to their offspring, Labour wanted to slip in there and skim some off the top when they sell it. I can’t for the life of me understand the ethical position. It’s a death tax. Avoidable by selling your family home in that briefest moment before you issue your last breath.

    If you sold it and there was a capital gain you'd pay tax on it, whenever it was sold; your estate would either have an asset that could be realised for $X or $X in cash. There is no sense in which it is a "death tax".

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 85 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    The problem is though that all those examples in Beijing are pretty shit, as I recall Happy Valley closes in the winter, there’s better down here and yet still not up to the standard of GoldCoast or L.A. Those 2 million people to NZ contribute $24b, those 5m to Australia contribute $94.8b, clearly the investment in world class attractions pays off. And for lack of much historical interest, the backpacker market only stretches so far, but yeah the urban parks and lakes of Beijing, it's a beautiful thing.

    NZ’s small tourism operation is up with the best in the world but something like a massive Wetaworld, under Peter Jackson’s direction would be amazing. in say the Wairarapa, with a high speed train through the Rimutaka Ranges. But yeah, maybe I’ve been here too long amongst this “impossible is nothing” ;) and Chinese capital.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

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