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Hard News: The March for Democracy

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  • LegBreak,

    @Danielle; NZers always get ratty at this time of year; I blame it on the Equinox winds.

    The winds, and the fact that there’s a certain costly “celebration” coming up.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Great, you got it. Now you could have pointed out why you thought Ian was naive. Instead you chose to be "aghast", as if no explanation were needed, and your presumed status here gave you the right to be so. Very fucking condescending.

    I'm just going to leave it there, Joe, I have no earthly idea what you're on about.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I agree. Let's all leave it, because none of this seems productive, or in service of ideas.

    I'd ask you all to contemplate the difference between attacking people's arguments and attacking the people who make them.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22744 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Joe:

    If you can't call bullshit in the strongest possible terms on 9/11 "Truthers" whose attitude towards basic physical reality is ninja-level "truthiness", then you might as well not bother calling out any form of dishonest argument.

    Gio's right: Anyone who cares can review the record and come to their own conclusions about whether not I acted like a "ego-driven bully" indulging in "condescending douchebaggery" towards Ian.

    The funny thing is that there are many occasions where I've not exactly won the Miss Manners seal of approval, been called out on it, admitted fault and apologised. Just don't think this is one of those times.

    And right there is where I down cudgel and move on.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    high levels of Holy WTF

    Besides all the reasonable influences mentioned for our fraying, I note that it can be unsettling for any group of people to engage others with unclear, disingenuous or hostile intent. Focusing on the content and disagreeing in good faith is one thing but tolerating trolls has wider costs.

    Edit: Hadn't seen Russell's post. I've said all I'm interested in saying too.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi,

    With a name like Alessi (of which one of my tea pots is) I am not surprised :)

    My last name is handy for exactly two things:

    1) Impressing people when I pitch for web design jobs;*

    and

    2) Being able to buy kitchen appliances and keyrings with my name pre-printed on them (for the low low price of $500).

    * It's a shame I'm such an awful designer, my only hope is to turn myself into the Damien Hirst of web design.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

  • Knowledge Bro,

    PAS Goes Feral
    While seeking greener pastures, Clippity Clop,
    R.Billy Goat Gruff takes it to the bridge, Foll De Rol,
    Looks like you're all drinking from the same poisoned trough
    Says a voice from the culvert.
    'Tis the man with two first names, "Riddle me this", says he "what is 87% of 48% of 71% of the population of a small Democracy?"
    "I do not know" says the youngest of the flock "I am but a DumBugger, there are much brighter sparks behind on which you can feast your rich intellect"
    "Then you shall pass mere morsel, I shall wait for one to sate my appetite"
    "But beware, for across the Bridge resides the Ranapia, the one of wicked tongue and slippery thighs, fear him and his beady eyes"
    And so the story goes until the troll is deposed.

    Yrs the trollied one,
    Bonged Elk Row

    Behind the fridge • Since Mar 2009 • 58 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Being able to buy kitchen appliances and keyrings with my name pre-printed on them

    Very cool.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I am but a DumBugger

    rofflenui

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Looks like you're all drinking from the same poisoned trough
    Says a voice from the culvert.
    'Tis the man with two first names,

    In 2008, the BBC created a modern adaptation for its Fairy Tales season. In this, the story was given a PC twist in that the troll was presented as a tragic, cruelly maligned victim:

    From Wikipedia
    Oh the irony. So due to Political Correctness, Mr. Clive is the victim.
    I, for one, can't wait for this full moon to pass.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    So due to Political Correctness, Mr. Clive is the victim.

    But we knew that. Anti-PC is all about how everyone else gets to be a victim, except put-upon, white male me. What about meeeee?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    But we knew that. Anti-PC is all about how everyone else gets to be a victim, except put-upon, white male me. What about meeeee?

    Speaking of anti-PC, here's a surprising daisy-cutter from a libertarian viewpoint...

    Jim Peron: The New anti-PC Problem

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5415 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    I read the Three Billy Goats Gruff as a Masonic anti-Clerical tale of the Papal control of life/resources that the Masonic businessmen/landowners wished for their own control.

    Did the Troll build the bridge? He has shown he is not greedy as he allows two to pass for the price of one.

    The Troll is just trying to make a living, but the very existance of the troll is an affront to the Goats and is dispensed with for their own benefit.

    But then who tells us this is a troll? The self justifying assertion after the fact of the gang of goats.

    I'm sure there was something more important I had to do with my time - but I had a giggle.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    I blame it on the Equinox winds.

    Ah, die Föhnkrankheit

    Those hot dry winds that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. ”

    Raymond Chandler, "Red Wind"

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    take that rich guy ? he spent a bit of time dissing that andrew fella by making some inane post in the hope of getting a few laughs. how lame is that cos it's not even funny

    Yeah, Russell should ban that rich guy. He's a cock.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Did the Troll build the bridge? He has shown he is not greedy as he allows two to pass for the price of one.

    The Troll is just trying to make a living, but the very existance of the troll is an affront to the Goats and is dispensed with for their own benefit.

    But then who tells us this is a troll? The self justifying assertion after the fact of the gang of goats.

    The troll as infrastructure management contractor would rather buy the bridge outright and charge a toll for access, but the anti-business climate in this country won't stand for it.

    Instead the maintenance costs NOT borne by freeloading goats will create more pressure to increase RUCs on elephants, which (although the green lobby will never admit it) are the lifeblood of cross-bridge trade, and their operators need to be encouraged not levied further.

    But you won't hear this from the goats in the rush to declare that the bridge is "free for all" so they can go and devour fresh grass at the expense of our hardworking farming community. Shameful.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Yeah, Russell should ban that rich guy. He's a cock.

    But he ain't some rich prick!

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2537 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    Sacha i have put forward a reasonable assertion that PAS bloggers are all pro anti smacking law, ... There are no variants here at PAS in regard to any of those subjects above.

    Your assertion isn't reasonable. Graeme Edgeler is a blogger here, and he couldn’t really be described as in favour of the anti-smacking law. Ben Wilson and Dave Crampton (although the latter doesn’t post here often) and probably some others have also had criticisms of the law changes, and have been supportive of the wider public view as expressed in the referendum.

    Next time you're feeling that full of yourself you might pick on someone a little more, you know, expendable.

    Pick on me. If someone drove me off this website, it would save me a lot of time.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • Kerry Weston,

    Well. I'd be very sad indeed to lose Ian Dalziel and his wonderful acerbic wit. A Sir Bic Wit?? Hey, i can keep this up for ages, as the butler said to the queen. Rather have Ian tho.....

    Craig, i suspect this is the offending piece from p. 9:

    wow...
    the villagers are grabbing their pitchforks
    and lighting their torches...

    Dude, me and ten thousand of my closest friends are planning a "controlled detonation" of your house with you inside, as a pretext to declaring war on the Southicans. Now go back to sleep, little cog in the machine...

    A tad over the top, my friend.

    Manawatu • Since Jan 2008 • 494 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Anti-PC is all about how everyone else gets to be a victim, except put-upon, white male me. What about meeeee?

    The comment above, is technically incorrect, and not funny:)

    "victim |ˈviktəm|
    noun
    a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action."

    Thats what my dictionary says.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4294 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Ah. I'm not sure what you're getting at but I'll defer to your judgment - and please accept my apologies for lack of funny...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    A tad over the top, my friend.

    Perhaps, but I don't recall torching any garden tools and marching on anyone's castle either. And there, since Russell asked very nicely, I'd like to leave it.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    A tad over the top, my friend.

    It was the tone. Absolutely pointless if you had a differing opinion to others here, on the right for this man Gage to express his views. Attacking persons don't seem to solve much. And yes, Gio and Craig kinda clinched it, (imo) although I didn't think Craig was serious but with no sarcasm tags,it can be hard to read. Engineers and Architects might be only that, but I'd like both to have opinions on buildings seeing as a building is pretty much fucked without them.By all means dispute that which isn't accurate but an open mind as to all the other questionable details could be extremely interesting and even if some are of the "experience" of conspiracy theorists, I know I ain't one but have no problem with questions being asked.
    Full Moon is tomorrow.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • kmont,

    Full moon is tomorrow eh, that doesn't surprise me.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

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