Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Reviews: #NZGT and the Herald

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  • Robyn Gallagher, in reply to st ephen,

    I happened to be in the Octagon on the day, and saw the limo pull up outside the theatre.

    Being NZ's Got Talent, the "limo" is actually a Toyota Yaris! (Oh crap, the sponsorship has stuck in my brain...)

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler, in reply to Peter Calder,

    In the old days in Herald features there was a sub – now, mercifully, not among us – who had to be physically restrained from changing “missed by a mile” to “missed by 1.6km”. I am not making this up.

    I’d like to see said sub dealing to the word “milestone”.

    ETA: Yes I know, it's "10.2 kilometre kilograms" before anyone gets smart.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 856 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    Really? Geez, if you stretch it it might get almost as long as my Suzuki Gazelle, and that's a long way from limodom.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Why? Restructing is a perfectly cromulent word.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    The format is codified in a so-called ‘production bible’,

    How apt! How to codify bullshit and flog it to as large a number of people as possible. While patting yourself on the back, and telling yourself you deserve all the moola. Bet this "sheew" is a damn sight more entertaining tho, I dont have a gogglebox
    OK, I confess, I know what a PB is. Run across 'em before in my lifetime.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Fair point.

    The best error I've seen in the Herald (probably computer generated) is the conversion of the abbreviation STG into a pound sign, as in this article:

    What next, a Scunthorpe or Tyson Homosexual episode?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5445 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    The Herald online the font is annoying – the previous online presence was more to my preference.

    The Poll of the day – today I found interesting – it could become a drag.

    The format appears to lend itself to sensation rather than news and editorial content,

    “Cross dresser robs Good Samaritans” - I thought they could have gone to the effort of fining out what he was wearing – at least.

    The Bob Jones piece he has written many times before – that it has over 50 comments is surprising as it is retread rather than a “hot issue” of the day.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    1. I HATE the new Herald online format. Highly irritating font, and not comfortable to read.
    2. I went to a live taping of an audition show for the previous incarnation of NZGT. And yes it's hokey - all the shots that are taken as stoc audience response. But I'm a sucker for these kinds of shows. I agree with Robyn that Idol was never going to work here. What serious musician of any ilk was ever going to go on a show like that? It had shit prizes and stunk just a little too much of over manufactured hype for it to take.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    Highly irritating font, and not comfortable to read.

    Really? Does it get any better if you make it bigger?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • John Armstrong, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    Highly irritating font

    In terms of the headlines, I agree. All the curvey parts of the font (I'm sure there must be a fancy word for them) look pixelated. Makes me think that the page is always only partially loaded.

    Hamilton • Since Nov 2007 • 136 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to John Armstrong,

    In terms of the headlines, I agree. All the curvey parts of the font (I’m sure there must be a fancy word for them) look pixelated. Makes me think that the page is always only partially loaded.

    It's a WOFF web font that looks great if your browser can display it properly, and nasty if it can't. It should be fine in recent versions of Chrome and Firefox, but if you're an Internet Explorer user you need to get to IE9 or better.

    Public Address uses a Typekit web font which creates similar issues for some people. If our text looks bitty, you can try disabling the font by clicking "disable" at the bottom right of every page.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to John Armstrong,

    The Beginthewordning...*

    Restructing is a perfectly cromulent word.

    Oh, but I see they (The Herald on-line) don't bother 'restructing' american spellings, so sombre stays as somber nowadays on overseas feeds, saves time and money...

    Damn these neologisms, when will it all settle down to Galactic Standard?

    - admittedly Fairfax does a similar sort of uncaring thing, as they seem to run the original unsubbed (ie older) text of stories on-line, which leads to divergence between print edition and on-line versions.
    Personally that seems counterintuitive to the alleged immediacy of web news, and leaves the least reliable version of a story as the only one available for on-line searching, reinforcing an error perhaps?
    Sure post-subbing the copy may have been cut to fit a space but it has at least been filtered for obvious (and not so obvious) errors, grammar and correctness, subs check things (apparently, a recent revelation to American journalists)- this way lies confusion at best, and litigation at worst, perhaps modern paper publishers can live with that...


    The knowledge of all fonts...

    the curvey parts of the font (I’m sure there must be a fancy word for them)

    Meet: shoulder, bowl, swash, tail and terminal


    *Dingbat speak

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It’s a WOFF web font

    The Herald (on-line) body copy comes up as Optima for me,
    and the headlines look like an Egyptienne derivative...
    (through Chrome)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Tamara,

    I am using Chrome and it all looks awful. Is it my screen? I must try it on the macbook.

    New Zealand • Since Oct 2010 • 115 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I like the way the original concept of the web didn't have pages specifying fonts.

    The markup (like h1, p) was interpreted by the user's browser according to their choice of font. If you wanted to see everything in sans-serif, you could. It was a feature.

    (But not one that was attractive to web designers, who want to be able to clearly express their skills to the core audience of other web designers).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

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    If you wanted to see everything in sans-serif, you could. It was a feature.

    You still can. I read everything in Comic Sans because I hate myself.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    Things I learned from MS TechEd #3:
    The alien language subtitles in Avatar are in Comic Sans.

    Things I learned from MS TechEd #4:
    Once you know this, you can't not see it.

    You're welcome.

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Jeremy Andrew,

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    Things I learned from MS TechEd #3:
    The alien language subtitles in Avatar are in Comic Sans.

    Trust Microsoft to teach you wrong. I'm pretty sure that was Comic Sans' evil cousin Papyrus.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    Can someone explain the (irrational?) hatred for comic sans to me?

    Is it from over-use or use in inappropriate settings?

    Is it a snobbish “I wouldn’t be seen dead using it” or is there something fundamentally “wrong” about it that makes it a poor font in ways that are not wrong with gothic, times new roman, ariel or a zillion other common fonts?

    I dont love it, and but I cant see why so many hate it so much? It’s just another font to me.

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 893 posts Report Reply

  • martinb,

    Feel like I need somewhere to mourn the tactility of broadsheet. You can no longer open the opinion pages and have two (or three) columns a cartoon and the letters sitting there. It doesn't occupy a table, you need more pages for the fish and chips, there is less information spread out in front of you.

    I actually feel physically repulsed by the new edition. It's going to take a lot of adjustment or a perhaps new tablet device. It's still ok on the smart phone!

    I feel like I need a place to mourn Granny. Also to add her to the Auckland Savings Bank as a long running civic institution to be proud of that we used to know.

    Still I should probably give the new slag of a paper a chance. But really a city without a broadsheet?? Even Hamilton's got a broadsheet right?

    I had another crack about thinking it was a copy of the Harbour News, but was set straight when I realised it didn't have that insightful editorial from Pat Booth. Decided that was a step too far.

    Guess everyone here is using some nifty device though and I'm the only old fogie yearning for the paper- especially at the weekend it is going to suck.

    Auckland • Since Jul 2010 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    plaintive pleas unheard...
    The Herald on-line (and probably off-line, too) reports that Chchch people with legitimate grievances about their treatment must have started legal proceedings against that paragon of compassion...

    ...Gerry Brownlee has reportedly hit back at criticism from quake-affected Christchurch residents by calling the complainants moaners who have time to "buggerise around on Facebook all day".

    Being charitable I believe they just simply meant "complainers", and I haven't quite got to the bottom of how despicable I think Gerry Brownlee is...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to FletcherB,

    Can someone explain the (irrational?) hatred for comic sans to me?

    This explains it fairly well.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • martinb,

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10833532

    How does National get to run these numbers and how does it make the lead on the Herald website??

    $78 billion if everyone on the benefit at a low point in the economic cycle is always on the benefit.

    Also on the trend in poll results Labour and the Greens will hold 137% of the seats in 12 years time.

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    Auckland • Since Jul 2010 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew, in reply to Martin Lindberg,

    Trust Microsoft to teach you wrong. I'm pretty sure that was Comic Sans' evil cousin Papyrus.

    That's what I get for taking the word of a NY Times infographicist! He gained my trust with his hipster glasses and same first name as me...

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    The paper’s usage is correct. Titles are capitalized, job descriptions are not.

    Then what does "former wing commander Logan Cudby" mean? Wing Commander is a rank, and there are references to others of that rank with appropriate capitalisation. The article's internal consistency is a mess.

    They also failed to adhere to the correct form by not capitalising Air Force once, except when they correctly used Royal New Zealand Air Force. Hell, the article even says "Australian defence force". The body is called "Australian Defence Force", ffs. Similarly there are references to "defence force" which I take to mean NZDF, and there's talk of "defence websites" which should, I believe, be "Defence websites" since I've assumed it's meaning websites operated by parts of NZDF.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

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