Hard News: Poor Choices
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Sacha, in reply to
Intent matters very much, but it doesn't make your face, or your heart, stop bleeding
finding myself increasingly drawn to focusing on behaviour and fixing that. I don't much care what convoluted reasoning or family history led to it.
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Sacha, in reply to
but how to reconcile that with being the sort of person I most admire?
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Intent matters very much, but it doesn’t make your face, or your heart, stop bleeding.
THIS - and if you've just broken someone's nose, perhaps this would be the ideal moment to NOT make your intent the centre of attention. Effect trumps intent.
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Sacha, in reply to
yet deciding which behaviour to focus on leads back to intent #argh
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Have you seen this - outrageous behaviour by cowards http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/tvnz-stars-read-their-own-online-abuse-video-5849207
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Hmmm.
Philip Patston is boycotting not only the Herald over DHC’s column, but Public Address over what he describes as David Herkt’s “nasty”, “bile-spitting”, “bullying” obituary for Charlotte.
Post about it here.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
David Herkt's "nasty", "bile-spitting", "bullying" obituary for Charlotte.
Eh?
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Sue, in reply to
did he read the same article i did?
To me i thought it demystified some of the pressures she was under. It also put a few facts right.and can say we've all been in internet clusterfucks, but when you can realise it apologise, or acknowledge during or after that it went too far, well that's a good thing.
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If that was Mr Herkt in bilious mode, I really really want to be him when I grow up and find my bliss.
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Sacha, in reply to
Philip Patston is boycotting
which in context tells us both something about him and why disabled New Zealanders continue to be marginalised.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I'd appreciate it if anyone who felt moved to take it up with him was polite.
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Morgan Nichol, in reply to
David Herkt’s “nasty”, “bile-spitting”, “bullying” obituary for Charlotte.
What the fuck. Does he realise other people have also read Herkt's obituary and know it wasn't any of those things? Jesus.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
I’d appreciate it if anyone who felt moved to take it up with him was polite.
Honestly, I don’t know what the hell Philip’s issue with David’s piece is so what’s the point of taking it up with him? He’s explicitly stated that he’s got no interest in explaining himself (which he doesn’t have to, just because I’d like it) or engaging here. I’m happy to respect that and respond in kind - because I sure don't feel comfortable dropping into someone else's space and requiring they explain themselves.
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There's a related article here on studying trolling behaviour. Conclusion: some people are just dicks, so internet rule #1 doesn't work.
Not quite directly relevant for pile-ons and group behaviour, but interesting/relevant nonetheless.
Anyway, I'll be forming an angry mob once I've found out where these bastard Dark Tetrads live, so we can march over there and sort them out. Bring your own pitchfork or other agricultural implement.
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Sacha, in reply to
always
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Sacha, in reply to
Does he realise
unlikely
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Bring your own pitchfork
That'll keep the 'tone' even...
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
outrageous behaviour by cowards
Unfortunately not helped by revelations that two were made up...
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Twitter is to social media what the Kim Dotcom is to politicians.
I dislike Twitter. A whole bunch of people who are not half as clever as they think they are desperately trying to be relevant in 140 characters of one upmanship or less. I can’t imagine a platform better designed to generate more heat than light.
I play in a couple of MMO games and the stuff that gets said in the battlechat would make your eyes water. Internet culture is like that. Several websites post up the rages of the week and the trolls of the week for everyones amusement. Raging is just plain funny, the trolls more a name and shame exercise. Either way, posting it up draws the venom from most of it. Maybe someone ought to do the same sort of thing at TVNZ.
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Sacha, in reply to
A whole bunch of people who are not half as clever as they think they are desperately trying to be relevant
And again this tells us more about the person making the accusation.
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I suspect Teju Cole is about twice as clever as he thinks he is.
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
Internet culture is like that.
I go back a long way, to pre-web days and BBS, and I remember the change in tone in Usenet as access broadened out from universities and research institutes, and I remember the emergence of trolling and the handwringing about netiquette.
Still, I dispute that there is a fixed internet culture that we can't do anything about. Different online contexts have very different standards of behaviour, enforced in different ways, and every participant is part of a wider IRL culture too. Cultures can be made to change, and subcultures dependent on particular technologies are much easier to change.
The pileons and zingers are one part of Twitter, but only a part -- it also sustains a supportive and gentle community of semi-friends. It has its merits and its place.
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I go back a long way, to pre-web days and BBS, and I remember the change in tone in Usenet as access broadened out from universities and research institutes, and I remember the emergence of trolling and the handwringing about netiquette.
So do I. Thinking about it, internet culture was shaped by geeks going gangbusters with mensa-grade nastiness.
The pileons and zingers are one part of Twitter, but only a part – it also sustains a supportive and gentle community of semi-friends. It has its merits and its place.
i am sure it does, but as a platform it seems to me to have been designed primarily to operate at the juvenile level (“Look at me! I’m in New York!” + selfie or "hangin' with ma girl, sweet!") and people are taking it way to seriously as a medium of communication.
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people are taking it way to seriously as a medium of communication.
Could I maybe refer you back a couple of pages to where Sue references a friend awake and on twitter as part of the reason she's alive right now.
Every medium of communication is only as good as the people using it.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
people are taking it way to seriously as a medium of communication.
Twitter is now a major source of science. At work I use it to feed me tables of contents for the journals I need to read. I use it to follow key people in my field. It is a media where scientists feel free to comment quickly on their latest results or results from other labs that they find exciting.
Without meaning to offend, those people who dismiss twitter as a useless toy for children are doing it wrong.
Sure I follow @EmrgencyKittens because pictures of cute kittees make me smile but I also follow Jonathan Eisen @phylogenomics because, well if you know what his tag means you'll understand.
Twitter may have been invented for social media but it doesn't mean us science geeks can't make it useful the way we did with every other piece of the internet.
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