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Hard News: Poor Choices

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  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    there’s a point where intent ends up being a lot less important than context

    Oh I agree.

    Reading kindly doesn't mean excusing everything anyone says.

    and that. Damned if I'll be pollyanna any time soon.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Intent matters very much, but it doesn't make your face, or your heart, stop bleeding

    finding myself increasingly drawn to focusing on behaviour and fixing that. I don't much care what convoluted reasoning or family history led to it.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Sacha,

    but how to reconcile that with being the sort of person I most admire?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Intent matters very much, but it doesn’t make your face, or your heart, stop bleeding.

    THIS - and if you've just broken someone's nose, perhaps this would be the ideal moment to NOT make your intent the centre of attention. Effect trumps intent.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Sacha,

    yet deciding which behaviour to focus on leads back to intent #argh

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Suzanne McNamara,

    Auckland • Since Feb 2012 • 7 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Hmmm.

    Philip Patston is boycotting not only the Herald over DHC’s column, but Public Address over what he describes as David Herkt’s “nasty”, “bile-spitting”, “bullying” obituary for Charlotte.

    Post about it here.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Russell Brown,

    David Herkt's "nasty", "bile-spitting", "bullying" obituary for Charlotte.

    Eh?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sue, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    did he read the same article i did?
    To me i thought it demystified some of the pressures she was under. It also put a few facts right.

    and can say we've all been in internet clusterfucks, but when you can realise it apologise, or acknowledge during or after that it went too far, well that's a good thing.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 527 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    If that was Mr Herkt in bilious mode, I really really want to be him when I grow up and find my bliss.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Philip Patston is boycotting

    which in context tells us both something about him and why disabled New Zealanders continue to be marginalised.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    I'd appreciate it if anyone who felt moved to take it up with him was polite.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Morgan Nichol, in reply to Russell Brown,

    David Herkt’s “nasty”, “bile-spitting”, “bullying” obituary for Charlotte.

    What the fuck. Does he realise other people have also read Herkt's obituary and know it wasn't any of those things? Jesus.

    Auckland CBD • Since Nov 2006 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I’d appreciate it if anyone who felt moved to take it up with him was polite.

    Honestly, I don’t know what the hell Philip’s issue with David’s piece is so what’s the point of taking it up with him? He’s explicitly stated that he’s got no interest in explaining himself (which he doesn’t have to, just because I’d like it) or engaging here. I’m happy to respect that and respond in kind - because I sure don't feel comfortable dropping into someone else's space and requiring they explain themselves.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    There's a related article here on studying trolling behaviour. Conclusion: some people are just dicks, so internet rule #1 doesn't work.

    Not quite directly relevant for pile-ons and group behaviour, but interesting/relevant nonetheless.

    Anyway, I'll be forming an angry mob once I've found out where these bastard Dark Tetrads live, so we can march over there and sort them out. Bring your own pitchfork or other agricultural implement.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    always

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Morgan Nichol,

    Does he realise

    unlikely

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Rich Lock,

    Bring your own pitchfork

    That'll keep the 'tone' even...
    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Suzanne McNamara,

    outrageous behaviour by cowards

    Unfortunately not helped by revelations that two were made up...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Twitter is to social media what the Kim Dotcom is to politicians.

    I dislike Twitter. A whole bunch of people who are not half as clever as they think they are desperately trying to be relevant in 140 characters of one upmanship or less. I can’t imagine a platform better designed to generate more heat than light.

    I play in a couple of MMO games and the stuff that gets said in the battlechat would make your eyes water. Internet culture is like that. Several websites post up the rages of the week and the trolls of the week for everyones amusement. Raging is just plain funny, the trolls more a name and shame exercise. Either way, posting it up draws the venom from most of it. Maybe someone ought to do the same sort of thing at TVNZ.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2214 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    A whole bunch of people who are not half as clever as they think they are desperately trying to be relevant

    And again this tells us more about the person making the accusation.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I suspect Teju Cole is about twice as clever as he thinks he is.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    Internet culture is like that.

    I go back a long way, to pre-web days and BBS, and I remember the change in tone in Usenet as access broadened out from universities and research institutes, and I remember the emergence of trolling and the handwringing about netiquette.

    Still, I dispute that there is a fixed internet culture that we can't do anything about. Different online contexts have very different standards of behaviour, enforced in different ways, and every participant is part of a wider IRL culture too. Cultures can be made to change, and subcultures dependent on particular technologies are much easier to change.

    The pileons and zingers are one part of Twitter, but only a part -- it also sustains a supportive and gentle community of semi-friends. It has its merits and its place.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    I go back a long way, to pre-web days and BBS, and I remember the change in tone in Usenet as access broadened out from universities and research institutes, and I remember the emergence of trolling and the handwringing about netiquette.

    So do I. Thinking about it, internet culture was shaped by geeks going gangbusters with mensa-grade nastiness.

    The pileons and zingers are one part of Twitter, but only a part – it also sustains a supportive and gentle community of semi-friends. It has its merits and its place.

    i am sure it does, but as a platform it seems to me to have been designed primarily to operate at the juvenile level (“Look at me! I’m in New York!” + selfie or "hangin' with ma girl, sweet!") and people are taking it way to seriously as a medium of communication.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2214 posts Report Reply

  • Megan Wegan,

    people are taking it way to seriously as a medium of communication.

    Could I maybe refer you back a couple of pages to where Sue references a friend awake and on twitter as part of the reason she's alive right now.

    Every medium of communication is only as good as the people using it.

    Welly • Since Jul 2008 • 1275 posts Report Reply

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