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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • Kyle Matthews,

    You can see a rather hard road for National to walk over the next five weeks - several small dumps to back up Hager's book and possibly add a little more to it that he didn't cover coming from whaledump, just to keep the news on it coming back again and again - each time a new round of news stories and further interviews and further commentators pulling it apart.

    That's a painful environment to campaign in.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to stephen clover,

    Nope, they are missing one of the images. 11 of 12.

    There’s 11 on the page, but 12 in the download.

    [edit] Nope, just checked, there were 12 in the download I got yesterday.
    [edit2] The missing one is of Slater sending Ede some details of people that have been identified by their motorcycle licence plates by a third party. Probably withdrawn because it compromised their privacy.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to nzlemming,

    [edit2] The missing one is of Slater sending Ede some details of people that have been identified by their motorcycle licence plates by a third party. Probably withdrawn because it compromised their privacy.

    Yep, bingo. Maybe someone will redact all over it and re-publish.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

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    Here's the missing image, redacted by me for privacy reasons. The email is addressed to Slater's tipoff address from someone on an xtra account, which he then passes on to Ede. Both are environmental activists and one of them is quite well known. Very unclear why Slater is passing them to Ede, but he has laid into one of them in the past.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to stephen clover,

    Yep, bingo. Maybe someone will redact all over it and re-publish.

    Your wish is my command ;-)

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to nzlemming,

    Very unclear why Slater is passing them to Ede, but he has laid into one of them in the past.

    Stuff:

    Jolyon White was a partner of Green Party co-leader Russel Norman's executive assistant. The same day, Norman admitted vandalism of more than 700 National Party billboard was co-ordinated by White, but said it was not related to the Green Party.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to stephen clover,

    I was trying not to personally identify anyone to preserve their privacy, Stephen. Use you bloody scone, won't you?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to nzlemming,

    Yep, but my point was that (to my surprise) that cat unfortunately was already out of the bag. As they say.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to stephen clover,

    Yep, but my point was that (to my surprise) that cat unfortunately was already out of the bag. As they say.

    That doesn't excuse you being a party to it.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to nzlemming,

    Yep, but my point was that (to my surprise) that cat unfortunately was already out of the bag. As they say.

    That doesn’t excuse you being a party to it.

    I'm okay with this. Jolyon White's name was reported at the time and there's a public interest in knowing what else happened.

    But thanks for caring. I think we're getting an insight on how meticulous Nicky Hager was about avoiding personal material in his book.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    'Trigger' happy...
    'Politics' is governance not culture...
    ...so why has

    Napier's MTG has been forced to delay the launch of an exhibition of the late MP Whetu Tirikatene-Sullivan's clothing after the Electoral Commission raised concerns the display could influence voters on election day.

    It now opens a week later on the 27th!
    Looks like a great show - great graphics, great vision...

    First Darren Watson gets muzzled...
    Will they be gagging 7 Days next?
    With all their 'one-liners' National says
    they'll do the comedy, thank you...

    ...after all elections are a laughing matter!
    Right?
    ...in fact I feel like crying!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Politics’ is governance not culture…
    …so why has

    Napier’s MTG has been forced to delay the launch of an exhibition of the late MP Whetu Tirikatene-Sullivan’s clothing after the Electoral Commission raised concerns the display could influence voters on election day.

    It now opens a week later on the 27th!
    Looks like a great show – great graphics, great vision…

    At the time I felt blase about the changes to the Electoral Act. With this ruling (and the Key parody song) as examples (and no, not just because they are coming from the side of the fence I'm on) it's apparent I was wrong.
    It's dodgy. It does appear to infringe basic freedom of speech and expression in ways that go well beyond what I thought was the intention.
    Too late now, but it definitely needs to be changed.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2108 posts Report Reply

  • Nora Leggs, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

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    …in fact I feel like crying!

    I've never seen "Winter" looking so stained and dirty.

    Auckland • Since Dec 2011 • 2700 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    First Darren Watson gets muzzled...
    Will they be gagging 7 Days next?
    With all their 'one-liners' National says
    they'll do the comedy, thank you...

    Banning free speech? It's getting sillier by the day. Does anyone know who appoints members to the Electoral Commission - isn't Judith Collins the minister concerned?

    And (a rather loose connection) Stuff reports that young Nats in Waikato are burning 220 copies of the Hager book.

    What's next? Compulsory arm bands for left-leaning musicians?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Alfie,

    young Nats in Waikato are burning 220 copies of the Hager book.

    That is wonderful, another way to give Hager the credit and financial reward he deserves. Perhaps they could order another 10,000 print run to keep the elderly warm over winter and another 10,000 for them to read over a nice cup of cocoa, bless ’em.
    At $30 a pop that is $660 that these caring and sharing young gnats could have given to the poor but why would you? they would only spend it on booze and fags eh, so in a way the gnats would get it all back.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    At $30 a pop that is $660...

    In fact it's an even more impressive $6,600 that the young nats have donated to Mr Hager. ;-)

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    And they’re off…
    Feel free to share this collage...
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    At the time I felt blase about the changes to the Electoral Act. With this ruling (and the Key parody song) as examples (and no, not just because they are coming from the side of the fence I’m on) it’s apparent I was wrong.
    It’s dodgy. It does appear to infringe basic freedom of speech and expression in ways that go well beyond what I thought was the intention.
    Too late now, but it definitely needs to be changed.

    The Key parody song is not banned under the Electoral Act. It's banned under the Broadcast Act.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Alfie,

    Stuff reports that young Nats in Waikato are burning 220 copies of the Hager book.

    doesn't seem like a credible claim.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Sacha,

    doesn't seem like a credible claim.

    But it's being reported by the MSM so it must be true. ;-)

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The usually conservative ODT published a strongly worded editorial this morning calling for Judith Collins to be sacked.

    Right-wing blogger Cameron Slater, someone Ms Collins regards as a friend, claims to be a political player. He is not. He is a blogger.

    Is this what the country's democracy has become? Personal attacks, led by a minister and fed through blogger conduits (which operate without the standards applied to traditional journalism)?

    Mr Key is undoubtedly under pressure. His campaign is being derailed, and he - at least to date - has not handled it well.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    Which doesn't cover YouTube and iTunes, so why has Darren Watson been told to remove it from there?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Some obvious alternative captions for the National imagery:
    “Paddling up bullshit creek”
    “Ready for the next America’s Cup challenge”
    “Heading for John’s pleasure yacht”

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1928 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Judith Collins has a thing or two to say about cyber bullying. Or should I say double.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    In the first post-Hager poll, John Key's popularity has noticeably dropped.

    John Key's popularity has dived by 8.5 points in the first political poll since Nicky Hager's book Dirty Politics was released, according to a Herald DigiPoll survey.

    Mr Key is still well ahead of Labour Leader David Cunliffe but Mr Cunliffe has jumped by 4.1 points.

    Mr Key is preferred Prime Minister by 64.8 per cent, compared with Mr Cunliffe on 14.6 per cent.

    The figures do not necessarily reflect the party vote standings which will be released in tomorrow's Herald.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

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