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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • DexterX,

    It would be a thing if Key, in abscence of an effective opposition, defeated himself.

    Considering rowing - he has caught a crab - the "revelations" would make him King Crab.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    That's better:

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Alfie,

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    In the first post-Hager poll, John Key’s popularity has noticeably dropped.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Nicky Hager has officially made it to TV Tropes. (see Real Life section)

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Alfie,

    In the first post-Hager poll, John Key’s popularity has noticeably dropped.

    National itself, not so much -- and it looks like the Greens should be a feeling a lot happier than Labour at the moment. Still, on the whole, a poll everyone should be able to furiously spin to their satisfaction.

    Party vote

    National 50 (down 4.9)
    Labour 25.2 (down 1.3)
    Greens 13.7 (up 3.8)
    NZ First 4.3 (down 0.3)
    Maori Party 0.7 (up 0.2)
    Mana-Internet 2.1 (down 0.1)
    Act 0.6 (up 0.6)
    United Future 0.4 (up 0.4)
    Conservatives 2.6 (up 1.4)
    Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis (down 0.1)

    Preferred Prime Minister

    John Key Nation 64.8 (down 8.5)
    David Cunliffe Labour 14.6 (up 4.1)
    Winston Peters NZ First 5.1 (down 0.4)
    Russel Norman 3.5 Greens (up 1.5)
    David Shearer 1.5 Labour (down 0.7)
    Helen Clark 1.4 former PM (up 0.9)

    Seats in the house

    National 64
    Labour 32
    Greens 18
    NZ First 0
    Internet Mana 3
    Maori Party 1
    Act 1
    United Future 1

    Based on the assumption that the Maori, Mana, United Future and Act parties keep one seat.

    The poll of 750 respondents was conducted between August 14 and 20 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 per cent. On the party vote questions 12.5 per cent were undecided.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to DexterX,

    It would be a thing if Key, in abscence of an effective opposition, defeated himself.

    Spotted by a reader of Harold yesterday he did exactly that. Your wish may be coming true. Was he told or not?

    “What happened is Warren Tucker didn’t come to me, he went to his legal adviser and his legal advisers told him this is the process they have to follow and when he was going through that process it was at that point he told me he’d release it because he has to tell me that under the no-surprises doctrine.”

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Spotted by a reader of Harold yesterday he did exactly that. Your wish may be coming true.

    Just correcting ,it was not yesterday, it was 2011 he contradicted all his claims yesterday.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Just correcting ,it was not yesterday, it was 2011 he contradicted all his claims yesterday.

    Presumably, his memory was better then, as it had only just happened.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    Now this kind of talk has me really worried:

    Prime Minister John Key yesterday hit back hard over the Dirty Politics allegations against him and his Government, warning that a hacker and the political left were "trying to take an election off New Zealanders".

    Did he just really spectacularly not fully think that through before he blurted it out, or.....? Trying not to read too much into it, but given the tendencies this government has shown, it's hard to shake visions of.... nah, let's not go there yet. Or perhaps Key has been the recipient of some shockingly bad advice. Or, I dunno.

    And:

    He also hit out at the media, saying that by reporting on Hager's book and the release of source material hacked from Slater's computer "you're effectively supporting illegal activity".

    Oh? And what has John Key been doing with his consistent refusal to take responsibility for anything or demand Judith Collins, among others, account for her actions?

    Or is this all simply the ravings of a seriously desperate man?

    I don't know, but I do know his comments as reported in that article scare me.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    I don’t know, but I do know his comments as reported in that article scare me.

    I've said it before, but sunlight is the best disinfectant. And vampires behave strangely when exposed to sunlight.

    My biggest reservation is that if hacktivists effectively change the course of the 2014 election, it could lead to calls for the sort of things that would get Edward Snowden worked up.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Here's something to make you throw up over your cornflakes. In a John Drinnan story about paid placements masquerading as journalism, the Israeli Embassy in Wellington is quoted as saying that Slater is "fair-minded" and "spiritual".

    Spiritual? Compared to what?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Alfie,

    The Isrealis need all the friends they can buy.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Alfie,

    fair minded if the fair is Vanity Fair, and spiritual if the spirit is vodka.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Judith Collins refuses to acknowledge what she has done, in any way.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Trevor Nicholls,

    spiritual if the spirit is vodka

    more like dirty backstreet hooch

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sacha,

    more like dirty backstreet hooch

    Supped from a pale stein and drunk with carelessness.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    It occurred to me last night that the right wing is like the Old testament as the Left is to the New, an eye for an eye as opposed to turning the other cheek and caring for those that suffer the indignities of life…
    The Blue of the right is representative of the blue blood of the Royals and those that believe that they deserve the right to rule, the Red of the Left as in the Tooth and Claw of nature where the fight is to survive rather than to acquire, the fight to live rather than rule.
    Which side are you on?…. which side are you on?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    The Blue of the right is representative of the blue blood of the Royals and those that believe that they deserve the right to rule, the Red of the Left as in the Tooth and Claw of nature where the fight is to survive rather than to acquire, the fight to live rather than rule.

    That's some freaky mixed messaging, Steve. And what about the US, where the Republicans are red and the Democrats are blue?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to nzlemming,

    And what about the US,

    Didn't your English teacher tell you not to start a sentence with "And"?
    ;-)
    Anyhoo, I was referring to our Westminster traditions, where red is Left and Blue is right. As far as the US is concerned I don't think those colours are set in stone, at least, in the past they weren't.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    at least, in the past they weren’t.

    I seem to remember it was a screw up at CNN that set the current standard.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Before the early 20th century the Republicans were on the whole the more left-wing of US political parties. Lincoln was a Republican and Jefferson Davis a Democrat.

    It wasn't until FDR that the current positions became fully entrenched.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • mpledger,

    I read "Dirty Politics" on Friday - I wasn't particularly shocked by the vileness of the people involved as that had been talked about on all the blogs. The thing that astounded me was how all the people around Whale Oil, including the journalists just bought into his bully boy routine - National pollies whined to him "why are you attacking me?", the journos cosied up to him to get the quote or the leak. Even worse, the journalists were complicit in his gaining such power to bully and abuse by using him as a source.

    Noone actually had the guts or integrity to take him on. And if the media can't take on a (supposedly) lone cannon than how can we get them to keep a well funded, large machine like the government to account.

    Thankfully, someone in the end decided to take him on.

    Since Oct 2012 • 97 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Given the depths the participants in this sordid affair sunk to, I've been surprised at the lack of international coverage of Dirty Politics. I suppose that we're just a little island (or two) at the bottom of the world.

    Today's Guardian has an overview from Toby Manhire fittingly called The whale that swallowed New Zealand's election campaign.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    It wasn't until FDR that the current positions became fully entrenched.

    Which was previously kicked off by the 1912 Republican Split, where Ted Roosevelt led a breakaway progressive faction (that later threw in its lot with FDR) from William Taft's conservative rump that forms the basis of today's GOP.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Alfie,

    Given the depths the participants in this sordid affair sunk to, I've been surprised at the lack of international coverage of Dirty Politics. I suppose that we're just a little island (or two) at the bottom of the world.

    Today's Guardian has an overview from Toby Manhire fittingly called The whale that swallowed New Zealand's election campaign.

    So far...

    * Sky News AU - so far the only overseas in-depth coverage of Dirty Politics outside of the Guardian
    * ABC, but only at the end of the article
    * The Australian, again only at the end of the article

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

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