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  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Rich; do think seriously about this. A vote for Finlayson means a vote for National.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2546 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to william blake,

    crazy paving...

    cyclepath - psychopath

    I'm glad someone else spotted the potential 'slurred lines'
    from John Key, he has a mangle for all seasons...
    ...the so-so sociopath

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7902 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Rich; do think seriously about this. A vote for Finlayson means a vote for National.

    It won't help National get elected, if that's what you mean. It would only help if National were to win more electorate seats than their party vote gives them. That won't happen.

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Every time I see this clip I think of what will happen if Colin Craig should win...

    and Peter Cook is so spookily Craig-like in appearance
    (not in delivery though thankfully)

    and this may be Jamie Whyte's secret playbook...

    <sorry for reposting>
    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7902 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Lovely piece by Mandy Hagar on her brother http://mandyhager.blogspot.fr/p/occasional-political-rant.html

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3207 posts Report Reply

  • Stewart, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    Quite right, Hilary. That is a sweet piece of writing by Mandy Hager and should be required reading for all kiwi journalists.

    Te Ika A Maui - Whakatane… • Since Oct 2008 • 577 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Stewart,

    Quite right, Hilary. That is a sweet piece of writing by Mandy Hager and should be required reading for all kiwi journalists.

    ++1

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I’m really going to regret asking this, but what’s wrong about qualifying claims like Rodney Hide sent sexually explicit texts to a young woman?

    Nothing. I was just saying my take on du Plessis-Allan’s use of ‘allegedly’ was not the same as DeepRed’s, i.e. I don’t think it was meant to sound dismissive of the book per se.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Transcription - Harre-Ferguson RNZ 20140818.txt

    As I said up thread, Judith Collins can take whatever slings and arrows come her way. But I think all politicians might want to think really hard about bringing electoral agencies into campaign argy-bargy in any way, shape or form.

    Right. After our exchange on Twitter I sat down and listened to it again, as, while I had thought it wasn't a great interview, I hadn't picked up what was so incensing you. To my surprise, I found that the crap aspect of the interview was (once again) Suzie Fergusson and that Harre, when unimpeded by being talked over made the very succinct point that Fergusson was falling into exactly the trap that Hager outlined in his book, of taking Slater's smears and amplifying to the non-blogreading public. So I transcribed it (attached). Your indignation is completely misplaced. Let me quote the only paragraph that mentions the Electoral Commission:

    [00:01:18.22] Suzie: And so, as a result of that, what then do you think should happen with Judith Collins?

    [00:01:23.20] Laile: Well, I think there is no doubt that any Prime Minister who was leading a government, um, that gave a moral compass to New Zealand would have removed her a long time ago. The, um, the evidence provided in this book, ah, shows clearly that she should be removed. This is the woman who is part of a strategy to reduce voter turnout in the election and she is the minister in charge of the Electoral Commission, our public body charged with engaging voters, enrolling them and ensuring that they turn out to vote. She should go.

    Nothing there impugns the Commission, it's all about Collins and whether she is fit to be the minister in charge of it, which recent events and revelations might call into question. It's absolutely relevant for anyone to question the probity of a minister who has been shown repeatedly to lie when caught out manipulating public opinion, not to mention public money. If you don't think a minister can have influence over the work of a government agency either by direction or managing funding through the Budget process, you're either naive or willfully stupid, and I've never thought of you as either of those.

    Take your rosette off and really look at what these people are doing to your party, and to the country. And stop reading what you want to hear into what politicians are actually saying.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Right. After our exchange on Twitter I sat down and listened to it again, as, while I had thought it wasn’t a great interview, I hadn’t picked up what was so incensing you.

    And that’s fine – but I just rapidly got rather tired of being accused of “false equivalence” trolling. Because I really don’t see how saying that interview was lousy (IMHO and YMMV, of course) was drawing an equivalence with Key’s, which I’m very happy to characterize as an slimy, evasive train wreck. And, yeah, I don’t like anyone accusing our electoral agencies of partisan bias – never have. And I’m not giving LH a pass because she just did it more passive-aggressively than most. Why bring the Electoral Commission into an attack on Judith Collins at all? What dog was being whistled for there, and was there any basis in fact for it?

    Take your rosette off and really look at what these people are doing to your party, and to the country. And stop reading what you want to hear into what politicians are actually saying.

    You know, I could respond in kind and suggest you take your own advice and decide whether Harre accusing an inconvenient but perfectly legitimate question of “amplyfing Cameron Slater’s agenda” is any more desirable than Key dismissing critics of… well, being Nicky Hager's useful idiots.

    As I’ve also said on Twitter, you can’t go preaching transparency and accountability for thee, but not for me. Nor do I think just saying “I don’t know” (which Harre eventually did about KDC’s alleged texts) is ipso facto dishonest or weak. Politically inconvenient, yes. But I don’t care – she was asked to respond to a perfectly legitimate question, and she tried pulling a Key. Not good enough, and here’s why.

    Based on current polling, Internet Mana will return 2-3 MPs to the next Parliament and they could well be essential for any Labour-led Government whether anyone else likes it or not. If you’re happy for them to hand wave off any criticism or tough questioning from the media as the work of Cameron Slater finger-puppets, and passive-aggressively impugn the integrity of civil servants who can’t respond, well be careful what you wish for.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    If you’re happy for them to hand wave off any criticism or tough questioning from the media as the work of Cameron Slater finger-puppets, and passive-aggressively impugn the integrity of electoral agencies who can’t respond, well be careful what you wish for.

    Once again, she did not impugn the integrity of the Commission, but the integrity of the minister overseeing it. This is not the same thing and I'm equally tired of you pretending it is.

    Further, "tough questioning" has to be more than talking over answers you don't want to hear, which happens continually with Ferguson. Harre made excellent points about how RadioNZ and other media were continuing to respond to Slater in just the way he wants, amplifying his smears. You, yourself, have accused him of being a fantasist, as Harre does at 00:05:40.02, so it's perfectly legitimate to ask Ferguson why RNZ is taking his 'revelations' seriously. Ferguson is worse than Simon Mercep was, as an interviewer. She wants sound bites that make her look perceptive rather than answers to her questions.

    As to the false equivalency charge, I stand by that. You segued from John Key's trainwreck to Harre's nowhere-near-trainwreck as "not the only cringe inducing interview" and never bothered to differentiate.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson,

    I haven't seen anything much about the "Roast-buster-esque" behaviour exposed by Nicky's book, as shown here.

    I hope this is followed up, as the NZ public's disgust at the Roast Busters was heartening, and it'd be good to see it applied to the appalling behaviour of these people in the National Party.

    For those who haven't read it, I thoroughly recommend the article by Andrew Geddis about the book at pundit.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 615 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to nzlemming,

    This is not the same thing and I’m equally tired of you pretending it is.

    Pretending? FFS, Mark, I’m done with this until you get a grip on the difference between disagreeing with someone conclusions (which you’re perfectly entitled to do) and calling them a bad faith liar. Again. Despite being asked, repeatedly, to cut it out. If I found that at all useful I’d go sperlunking in the Kiwibog sewer, though to be perfectly fair you’re nowhere near that bad. Nobody here is.

    As to the false equivalency charge, I stand by that. You segued from John Key’s trainwreck to Harre’s nowhere-near-trainwreck as “not the only cringe inducing interview” and never bothered to differentiate.

    Oh, come on. This is getting silly – I didn’t think either interview was terribly good and if you want to read anything else into that Tweet it’s all on you. Again, to be fair it’s not like I’ve never gone off on anyone on Twitter half-cocked then proceeded to efficiently shoot off all my toes – it’s an occupational hazard when you’ve got a lot of bite-sized gobbets whizzing by so fast it’s really easy to miss a LOT of context or misread tone. (Someone come up with a sarcasm font, stat!) I don’t expect anyone to read my entire feed before responding to a Tweet, but it’s really nice not to be presumed to be a lying bad faith partisan hack.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    ... but it’s really nice not to be presumed to be a lying bad faith partisan hack

    Except that, unfortunately, that is the impression that you are giving.

    If you would like to dispell that impression, you could try agreeing that Laila Harre was not impugning the Electroral Commission, but was actually questioning whether Judith Collins was fit to be the Minister overseeing it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 615 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Giovanni's latest Bat Bean Beam post is angry and sad at the state of NZ journalism.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3207 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson,

    FFS. Tracy Watkins opinion piece on Stuff this morning :

    It may not matter that National cannot be directly linked with most of the more sordid revelations...

    But they are directly linked - that is why it's such a big deal.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 615 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I’m done with this

    Yay!

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2614 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Brent Jackson,

    If you would like to dispell that impression, you could try agreeing that Laila Harre was not impugning the Electroral Commission, but was actually questioning whether Judith Collins was fit to be the Minister overseeing it.

    I don't. So, I can "dispel the impression" that I'm a liar by saying something I don't actually believe? M'kay...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Key, in parliament a debater
    Hangs out with that Cameron Slater
    Who thinks it's a breeze
    To spread on the sleeze,
    But ends up just being a hater

    Hager, his book about Whale Oil
    Shows how our government can spoil
    As the dirt starts to heap
    Key starts to reap
    His huge smelly heap of night soil

    There once was a whale run amok
    Whose bile load of mail was snuck
    To a writer of note
    Just prior to our vote
    Now the nats can all take a flying

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2614 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to nzlemming,

    This is the woman who is part of a strategy to reduce voter turnout in the election and she is the minister in charge of the Electoral Commission, our public body charged with engaging voters, enrolling them and ensuring that they turn out to vote. She should go.

    Seems perfectly clear to me who's being criticised in that passage, and it's not the public servants. Next.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19697 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Call me Email...

    There once was a whale run amok...

    ...Nah, that's Moby Dick
    Slater's a 'Mopey Dick'...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7902 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I don’t. So, I can “dispel the impression” that I’m a liar by saying something I don’t actually believe? M’kay…

    Well, that's the problem. Because she wasn't remotely questioning the integrity of the EC. Please quote evidence that she was.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    One more:

    It started with just one word "feral"
    That pissed off a hacker, now there'll
    Be emails each day
    Dripping away
    John Key's plumb job now's in peril

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2614 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to nzlemming,

    Can we just agree there isn't any and move on?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19697 posts Report Reply

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