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Hard News: Criminalising Journalism

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  • Sacha, in reply to Paul Williams,

    Next expect the question, “can National go into a coalition with NZF”?

    If Labour had any oomph, they might have been running that line before now.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • merc, in reply to Sacha,

    He's also alluding to the Prebble, Douglas bushwhacking of the Lange Govt with Rogernomics (not campaigned for) that Lange called a tea break from. Then Act was formed and this is it's last throw of the dice, they always have been National's other brother.
    I think this is central to the argument that Key meeting Banks was duplicitous and so necessary to be exposed to the public domain via the media, or who else?

    Answer to Sacha, I don't think Goff should have ruled out working with Mana. I don't think they should talk about ruling out anyone, frankly, because that would be the truth.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    *sigh* If Labour had any oomph, they might be focussing on promoting their own policies. (Attacking possible Nat coalitions is too easily countered by a "Vote National, get National" line.)

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1928 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Sacha,

    And the end of that story makes really obvious that our current system amounts to a blank cheque. The checks and balances such as they are rely on a competent opposition and media motivated by sticking up for the public, not their own career prospects.

    The National Government says it is seeking a mandate from the public for its asset sales programme at the election next weekend. But while National enjoys a huge lead over Labour in the polls, the polls also suggest a majority of the public oppose the plan.

    Nevertheless, Mr English believed the public would be receptive or at least compliant towards further major economic reform in the next parliamentary term.

    This teapot storm gives politicians and media another chance to show us what they're made of over the next week.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis,

    Of course Helen Clark was not a scumbag but if she is our greatest PM I think we need a litle more time under the bridge for that judgement
    She was less than honest on her intentions if she was not returned as PM unlike John Key who has made his intentions clear but she was a polition to her finger nails and would never revealed her intentions as a possible sign of weakness

    I note Mr Goff also has memory lapses on past PM behavior, remember "corngate" and the term "little creep"

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 577 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to linger,

    If Labour had any oomph, they might be focussing on promoting their own policies.

    Totally. Should have been doing that well for the last couple of years, but some good campaign messages. Greens seem to be connecting better.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • merc, in reply to Sacha,

    Sacha, This teapot storm gives politicians and media another chance to show us what they're made of over the next week.

    Definitely, and I would argue that that is what National do not want, Joyce is minister for broadcasting after all and the way they have behaved towards the media, uncertainty, bullying, closures, threats, bespeaks to me of no mere coincidence.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Lew Stoddart, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Craig, obviously one bogus comparison justifies the tac-nuke of bogus comparisons.

    L

    Wellington, NZ • Since Aug 2010 • 109 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams, in reply to linger,

    *sigh* If Labour had any oomph, they might be focussing on promoting their own policie

    Linger, perhaps I'm just more open to hearing them, but I thought they have been and for quite some time.

    The ownourfuture theme and approach has been well thought through, the education policy was pretty comprehensive and the release of a CGT and proposals to increase the age of eligibility for super were all clear and distinctive messages.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to merc,

    Joyce is minister for broadcasting

    That's Jonathan Coleman. Joyce is Communications (which is more about broader infrastructure).

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Paul Williams,

    Content good. Execution..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    ...CGT, raising super age, Maori more involved in Justice and apprenticeships...

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • merc, in reply to Sacha,

    Joyce is comms broadcasting total I reckon, albeit not in name ;-) The 43 million to TV3 was signed over by Joyce no?

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Any doubts who's in charge, however, here's Mr Joyce wagging his finger at journos on Radio NZ Morning report (10 mins, listening options) for not toeing his teapot line.

    “There are one or two people in the media that need to do a little bit of self-assessment this weekend and decide what it is they’re going to be talking about.”

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    I fail to see how comparing the maintaince of a pseudo-party for politicial advantage to Berlusconi's maintainance of a pseudo-party for political advantage is in any way a bad comparison. It seems quite a good one.

    Obviously the two things are not precisely the same; that is why it is a comparison.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Joyce is a pale imitation of Muldoon.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to merc,

    That was discussed here at the time - and is a red herring now. The paperwork shows that Joyce actually recommended against the loan and was overruled by cabinet.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Er, I hate to say it, but as far as I can tell Labour aren't running any pseudo-parties, and haven't, ever.

    No but they were able to rely on Anderton on the left of them in much the same way as National has relied on ACT.

    And my question was really "why haven't they done more of it?". From a purely out-to-rort-MMP stance, electorate candidates are an easy fight-fix. Goldsmith only has to take a dive in Epsom, and they get at least Banks. Even if ACT got zero party votes, National would still get all the seats their own party vote adds up to, and they get a bonus loyal goon who is, in some ways, slightly *more* valuable to them because he can be more right wing.

    Why stop at Epsom? They could have stood ACT people in all of their safe seats and had their own candidates campaigning for the party vote only, exactly as Goldsmith has done. With a vote splitting strategy like that, it makes perfect sense for National voters to split, especially since they can see how weak the electorate only party is, that it can never hold the mother-party to ransom because it can be killed completely in one electoral cycle. Everyone who splits their vote in that way has a vote at least twice as powerful as people who don't, and if that party can even pick up some party votes, this could be magnified even more.

    Essentially, if this crap continues, if you can't beat them, join them. Fix fights. Isn't that the logical answer to Epsom's smug little position? Wouldn't that make the case for MMP reform the strongest?

    This is a thought experiment, btw. I'm not saying any of this is right. It's a case made to show that there is a response to Epsom, which would clearly show the way that the two major parties have abused MMP since the very beginning.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Sacha,

    If Labour had any oomph, they might have been running that line before now.

    To nit-pick a little, Sacha, it's a line Labour could have run with more conviction if there wasn't so much tape of their leader being, shall we say, rather coy on the question himself. But I guess it's always different for Goff...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    I note Mr Goff also has memory lapses on past PM behavior, remember “corngate” and the term “little creep”

    For sure. Clark sought to enlist and demonstrate the support of the public over the Corngate interview -- most notably by eagerly passing on the "little creep" comment.

    She also pursued the matter via a Broadcasting Standards complaint, which was partially upheld the following year. But she never got the police involved in an election campaign.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Sacha,

    Russell has a new post about said finger-waggling and internal polling.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    if there wasn't so much tape of their leader

    Quite.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    they were able to rely on Anderton on the left of them in much the same way as National has relied on ACT

    The comparison is perhaps more United Future.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • merc, in reply to Sacha,

    Ah thanks, still I think this quote highlights the general tone,
    “There are one or two people in the media that need to do a little bit of self-assessment this weekend and decide what it is they’re going to be talking about.”
    What does this say other than, Love My Way, or more pointedly...are you with us or against us?
    Border crossed.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to merc,

    Border crossed.

    and like I say, the media and opposition's responses to that will tell us a lot about them.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

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