Speaker: Copyright Must Change
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Classic.
Isn't it, though? ;-)
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pirate bay should acknowledge a fair cop and move on to waste someone else's time . . .
Like, take Tussock's suggestion and go on tour already? There might just be something in that for all parties.
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Metric counts its iTunes success
The rock act that has gone without a label's backing sees digital downloads from its new release put 'Fantasies' in the middle of the U.S. pop chart.
By Todd Martens April 16, 2009
For its first album in four years, electronic-tinged rock act Metric opted to go without the backing of a music label, a move that in the past would have been daring.But the Canadian quartet's new release, "Fantasies," popped up in the middle of the U.S. pop chart last week. Metric accomplished that thanks in large measure to iTunes and a nonprofit Canadian arts funding entity...
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Metric's decision to work without a label was made easier because it tapped a nonprofit funding entity available to Canadian artists and some government aid. With a little help from the Foundation to Assist Canadian Talent on Recordings, Metric was able to receive a loan of about $50,000 to help cover recording costs. Drouin said the band also received a smaller federal grant.
"Everything is a grant, except the money for the album, which is a loan," Drouin said. "Metric will pay back 100% of the loan, by virtue of the sales we already have."
Is there a similar funding entity in NZ? If not, should there be?
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Classic.
Metarofflenui!
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good to see your humor is working but not for the reasons you think it is.
Is there a similar funding entity in NZ? If not, should there be?
but, but, why do they need any money, $50000 seems a lot since production costs have allegedly slipped to near zero and they can just get out on the road and pick up the easy money according to tussock. I think that's what the experts were saying in their explanation of how the economics of music work from an open source vantage point.
all that metric story needs is an element of how the lead singer finally gets to go out with the cool girl he's had his eye on and its the makings of a hollywood movie.
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Is there a similar funding entity in NZ? If not, should there be?
People get Creative New Zealand grants to record albums. You'd be unlikely to get $50 000, though.
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People get Creative New Zealand grants to record albums. You'd be unlikely to get $50 000, though.
Phase Four does exactly that. Or it would if it didn't have this archaic tagline on the conditions:
and have a release deal in place (meaning a release deal with a "major" label).
Fortunately the term 'major' label is fairly loosely defined as most major releases by NZ acts in 2009 go through the larger indies
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Pirate Bay Judge Accused of Bias, Calls for a Retrial
The way I see this is:
a) The Pirate Bay trio (not sure about the 4th) were probably correctly found guilty, and were always going to be found guilty as any other verdict would've been disastrous with huge implications
b) But it's questionable whether taking this to trial was ever a very clever thing to do as any victory was always going to be pyrrhic. These guys are now folk heroes for a whole generation and there were likely better ways of handling Pirate Bay. This gets filed in the same box as the Napster / Metallica / RIAA lawsuits 'will-they-never-learn' litany.
c) the judge must be a frigging idiot if he didn't think that his board membership of, in particular, The Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property, which is a lobby group not just a 'pro-copyright' group, with a currently out of the mainstream agenda, wasn't going to cause problems and be seen as a likely source of bias.
d) looking through the press, not just Torrent Bay, today, there seems to be an increasing call for the verdict to be set aside, or at least, extraordinarily strong grounds to have it overturned on appeal
e) which means that whichever way it goes Pirate Bay and it's supporters now have a massive cause celebre / rallying point / grassy knoll and the alleged victors in this case are back trying to find the path to square one again.Peter Sunde's tweets this morning included:
Oh how I love the smell of victory in the morning
And whether they win or lose in the next round of court, he's right, this is a nightmare for those that forced the prosecution.
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Elevator Pitch: Record Union lets artists sell straight to their fans online
Headquartered in Stockholm, Sweden, Record Unionis one of very many startups trying to crack the potential of a new music business on the web. Set up in February last year, the site launched this month offering a distribution network for music artists looking to sell their work online through iTunes, Amazon, Spotify and other big name retail sites.
Record Union employs ten staff and is funded privately. Co-founder Daniel Nilsson explains what drives them, and where they hope to be in five years...
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And whether they win or lose in the next round of court, he's right, this is a nightmare for those that forced the prosecution.
Yup. And as you say, will they never learn?
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will they never learn
righteous indignation, eh?, with perhaps a smidge of smug?
can't wait till you all step off the sidelines and lead the way. the future will be so bright. nothing speaks louder than actions, except perhaps pontification on blogs.Peter Althin, the lawyer who represents Pirate Bay spokesperson Peter Sunde, told The Local that in setting up this case, several lay judges were thrown out due to conflicts of interest. That Norström somehow sneaked past this deletion process raised suspicion and anger in the defense team.
suspicion and anger at themselves for not catching it along with the lay judges who they threw out earlier?
"Norström somehow sneaked "????. The dude turned up for work to enforce the law as written and as is his job, the defense team didn't challenge him on what they now see as grounds for bias and he somehow sneaked?I think it more likely they knew all along, let it pass on the intention of bringing it up right about now. Nicely played, and that's exactly the point, to play it.
Although I can admire a well spun line its hardly the straight up honest nz way of doing things so it grates a little with me.
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heroes to a generation they may be but what is it exactly pirate bay do? I'm trying to think of equivalent actions in a different area that showcase the nature of their actions away from the glow of free media stuffed piglets.
I wonder if I can set up a site that shares information on when people are away from their houses on holiday and the best means of access to enter said properties. I wouldn't actually be breaking into said properties myself, just pointing people in the right direction, although it might be argued that my site promotes the breaking of current laws, without actually breaking them personally.
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Yup. And as you say, will they never learn?
More thoughts along those lines from the Irish Times, which ends with these paragraphs, which takes me back to the whole Shaun Fanning / Napster debacle.
There are hundreds of Pirate Bays out there. Close them down and hundreds more will appear. You can put every person who has ever hosted an illegal file or downloaded one into jail tomorrow and it won’t make a bit of difference.
Here’s what should be done with the Pirate Bay Four: instead of throwing them in prison, give each a job with one of the four major record labels. They know about copyright law, its infringement and how illegal file-sharing works. Working with rather than against them might mean that the music industry has a fighting chance of surviving and getting to grips with a problem that won’t go away. There is no alternative
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There are hundreds of Pirate Bays out there. Close them down and hundreds more will appear. You can put every person who has ever hosted an illegal file or downloaded one into jail tomorrow and it won’t make a bit of difference.
Precisely. What the coverage of the trial might have done is get some people to say, "well if it's that easy I might have a go meself"
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There are hundreds of Pirate Bays out there.
well no, as far as bit torrent goes there are a few main players (pirate bay, mininova, isohunt, etc) a few lesser players. They even rate the popularity and use of the known sites.
The bigger issue is the smaller number of torrent trackers of which pirate bay seems to be the biggest.
If you knocked out the trackers then you'd knock out the network. At present if you took out piratebay you'd take out most of the torrent tracker presence and the torrents wouldn't work because there would be no overview record of who's sharing what
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I have no idea why they don't just block the pirate bay tracker site.The question was raised as to why upon guilty verdict the pirate bay site is still active. Their prison term are relatively unimportant surely.
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Working with rather than against them might mean that the music industry has a fighting chance
why the music industry all the time. its almost more film and software and games as measured by volume on these sites.
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but not for the reasons you think it is
Ha ha ha ha
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why the music industry all the time. its almost more film and software and games as measured by volume on these sites.
The debate in the software industry have been going on for a long time. However, this thread has spent a long time talking about S92 which has largely been introduced in a very underhand, non-NZ way by the music industry.
The software industry, no matter what its views on piracy, are largely united in their belief that the enforcement mechanisms in S92 are unworkable.
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God, my irony gland is getting a workout today ;-)
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this thread has spent a long time talking about S92
blinkers off don.
there's a massive amount of non 92a stuff on here. that's just your pet bee in your bonnet.check this site
on the right side there's a most popular list.
the top 3 are games followed by 2 movies. no music.its nice the well respected and read irish times focuses on illegal filesharing as it relates to music but film and games get it hard.
I don't know if you speak for the entire world of software, but I'm thinking music software developers who load their products up with drm probably don't share your free love ideas. -
my irony gland is getting a workout today ;-)
is someone else going to take the piss out of mark for writing that comment?
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Yes, and we aim to be moderately polite, most of the time. Your aim will help ;-) Welcome back.
I have no polite left for those who would look into my private life to prevent me doing harmless things for my own interest and enjoyment. It is beyond offensive. There is no limited resource, there is no harmed party, I have broken no contract, the world does not change for anyone else by my efforts (aside the trivial cost to the "sharer" who specifically wills it to be).
Please try to address the actual issues without the emotional stuff.
The actual issues are emotional to me. We have this amazing machine that copies information from all around the world into our homes, perfectly, and they want us to not use it, so they can keep making money doing something we can do for ourselves now.
It's insane. We have a potentially infinite library in our very homes: When a book comes up in conversation, I can read it. When I miss an interesting clip on TV, I can watch it, and even be led to find interesting things from long past I did not know about. When someone recommends a song, I can listen to it, and that act can recommend the song to others if I wish. All for free. Let us revel in it.
Why the hell is anyone giving the time of day to people who suggest breaking that so as to turn it into a commercial venture? Imprisoning people for sharing common information? Bankrupting people who would volunteer to provide an simple index for everything you would care to find, a service people have dreamed of for millennia? It's insane!
Like, take Tussock's suggestion and go on tour already?
Better yet, and less rude, give me something I can't make for myself, an experience, or something physical, because digital copies I can do. I understand TPB sell various accouterments, might be an idea.
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heroes to a generation they may be but what is it exactly pirate bay do? I'm trying to think of equivalent actions in a different area that showcase the nature of their actions away from the glow of free media stuffed piglets.
In real terms, they would be a public notice board. One man would post "I have a most excellent bow-staff, should anyone wish to see it." and another would reply, "I would, as I could then make myself a most excellent bow-staff from the wood on my property by copying the design."
The RIAA would be the guys with a monopoly grant by royal decree that only they can make bow-staffs, and they're having the sheriff imprison the man who erected the notice board for "aiding a man to make his own bow-staff".
The people consider this odd, as every surface in town is a potential notice board. The king is planning to outlaw walls in response.
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The actual issues are emotional to me.
well noted tussock, although some of that emotion is driven by misunderstanding or not grasping the who issue at hand.
so they can keep making money doing something we can do for ourselves now.
that would be one of those points. you're not sharing expensive movies that you've done yourself, you're sharing ones other people have done. you're assessing the act of distribution as the whole of the product where it is only the end part.
bow-staff
we don't get nearly enough medieval examples on here.
the noticeboard analogy is a good one but a more realistic example would be someone using that noticeboard to advise others of how to break a law.
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