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Speaker: Are we seeing the end of MSM, and is that a good thing?

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  • linger, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    the full depths have been sounded

    Not yet; wait until he starts using his toothbrush creatively onscreen.
    Then perhaps the remaining audience might finally bristle in response…

    * Um, a cautiously worded explanatory note: amongst other meanings, sounding is something Alfred Kinsey famously enjoyed doing with his toothbrush, bristles first, and with camera rolling. I humbly suggest "plumbing the depths” might be more appropriate here, as more directly connoting that the content is shit.]

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to linger,

    Not yet; wait until he starts using his toothbrush creatively onscreen.
    Then perhaps the remaining audience might finally bristle in response…

    Very good :-)

    The more I hear about what is offered up for consumption on television these days, the more my gratitude towards the little shits who robbed us in December 2014 taking, amoungst other stuff, our goggle box increases.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • izogi,

    [Edit: Oops. I posted to this thread accidentally when I meant that thread.]

    Anyway, Mark Weldon has resigned.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to izogi,

    Carolyn Robinson tweeted: "Goodbye Weldon.


    Don't trip on the ruins you created as you leave.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to izogi,

    Anyway, Mark Weldon has resigned.

    Good, and good on Hilary Barry.Subtle,principled but apposite I would say. For a man who led the charge on disposing of people much loved in a small community, then arrogantly ignoring the small audience TV3 had, I'd say Hilary and her David moment showed Goliath that life and the pursuit of happiness is not and never was about Mark Weldon. His ego, (much like John Keys, for, they are of the same ilk)) got kicked to the curb, I just wish to see Mr Key being next. If New Zealanders stand together ,that should be easy , just takes us all voting strategically (for the sake of the Country) come next Election.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    Back to subediting skills and it’s Fairfax this morning. This little beaut is sitting on their front page right now. Right words... wrong order.

    But wait… there’s more.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    When you click on the story from venerable broadcaster and TV3 refugee Jeff Hampton, the headline contains a glaring typo. I doubt that Jeff would let that one pass so it's more likely the subs, or whoever passes for a sub at Fairfax these days.

    Basic literacy skills should not be optional for a major media company.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    the subeditor Yoda is.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to David Hood,

    the subeditor Yoda is.

    I want that on a t shirt.

    But "my", in homage to the meme I can't remember in detail, the "X is my Y" one.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1233 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Today's Herald

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Now the ODT is doing it.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    Note that errors aren't random: overwhelmingly they result in a headline or lead exaggerating the story. (This has been known for 30 years; only difference is, now we get more errors.)

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Irony in the Herald today.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    There are strong suggestions that Fairfax and APN may merge. The resulting company would own a huge share of the NZ media landscape, reducing competition considerably.

    An announcement is expected tomorrow.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Colin Peacock from RNZ's Mediawatch looks at the implications of a Fairfax/APN merger and what the subsequent lack of competition, including a possible paywall on any combined site, could mean for users.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Alfie,

    the implications of a Fairfax/APN merger

    Oh I am sure the quality will improve and headlines like this:
    'Disrepsectful pigs' caught abusing disabled man on train
    will be a thing of the past - dreams are free I suppose....

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Alfie,

    Colin Peacock from RNZ's Mediawatch looks at the implications of a Fairfax/APN merger and what the subsequent lack of competition, including a possible paywall on any combined site, could mean for users.

    Better that old media throws in the towel, instead of Murdoch-ising to justify its continued existence. In any case the ComCom needs to harden its heart and put the brakes on.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    Winston Peters gave a pro-Brexit speech in the House of Lords yesterday after being invited by a UKIP peer. While some may question the wisdom of aligning oneself with the UK's anti-imigration nutter party, the Sunday Express went a step further... and promoted Winnie to PM of New Zealand.

    Maybe they know something the rest of us don't.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    Of... by... they're interchangeable words, aren't they? We need to do something about those damn screens using children, according to this morning's Herald.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Alfie,

    That one’s not an error (cf. genitive use for subject in Colin’s overuse of litigation), and doesn’t even present serious processing difficulties (as we usually understand the agent to be animate).

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to linger,

    ...doesn’t even present serious processing difficulties...

    While it may be O'K semantically, to me it's reads clumsily at best. But maybe I'm just being a pedant?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart,

    no, you're right, by would be better here.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    monitoring usage…
    …or from my ‘cursory’ understanding of modern English (and devices):
    ’Should young children’s use of screens be limited?’
    could fly, obviously children (and reporters) need a few ‘pointers’…

    Perhaps there’s an arguable case for a hyphenated
    ‘screen-use’ in the Herald iteration…

    Whichever way they look at it,
    it sounds like it'd be a very ’gooey interface!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Oh dear...

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

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