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The issue that most people miss is that none of these documents are likely to be "news" to many foreign governments. As several hundred thousand people had access to the cables you would be taking a big risk in betting no one else has been downloading them and passing them on - for money probably - to another government.
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Apparently anyone inside the wall can get unencumbered nets by signing up to one of the cheap and cheerful US VPN providers.
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I'm surprised Public Address can get through the wall.
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Sam F, in reply to
Certainly I didn't have any problems getting on here from China in late 2006/2007 (not 100% sure but I think I registered for PAS from there).
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I’m surprised Public Address can get through the wall.
I seem to recall T-z-e M-i-n-g not being able to view her own blog at times. (See what I did there?)
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Sacha, in reply to
none of these documents are likely to be "news" to many foreign governments
Too true - but the faux outrage at their release provides a nice distraction from their content
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Anyone know if Hong Kong is inside the wall - when I was there earlier this year some potentially interesting stuff seemed inaccessible - but probably not as much as I'd have expected if it were (no problems with PA though).
Of course Taiwan which is technically sort of part of China (according to both PRC and the Taiwanese govt), and where I've been spending months lately is outside the wall
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I have the gravest concerns for Assange's future. If he is sent to Sweden to stand trial it's almost certain that he will be rendered to the Americans, and he won't see the light of day for many years as their legal juggling, by deferring a trial, will keep him imprisoned, with all the horrors that will be for him. Even the loopy presidential hopeful Sarah Palin is calling for a Special Forces unit to go and assassinate him. So much for democracy in the land of the free.
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Far from being hypothetical, cyberwarfare is already a hot war, with mounting evidence that China is particularly active.
This is so far from being news to anyone in the computer security field that it's laughable. Which doesn't stop it being frightening.
I have the gravest concerns for Assange's future. If he is sent to Sweden to stand trial it's almost certain that he will be rendered to the Americans, and he won't see the light of day for many years as their legal juggling, by deferring a trial, will keep him imprisoned, with all the horrors that will be for him. Even the loopy presidential hopeful Sarah Palin is calling for a Special Forces unit to go and assassinate him. So much for democracy in the land of the free.
I am somewhat leery of the argument that Assange can never be arrested for anything, ever, because he'll automatically be rendered to the Americans and tortured for years, etc. It....puts him in a position I'm dubious he deserves to be in.
Furthermore, being practical, if the Americans think that imprisoning Assange is going to stop Wikileaks, they're mad. Things like PayPal and Amazon doing their dirty work for them are far more likely to succeed.
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IMHO - "Flustercluck" - should be word of the year and this is one.
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<Furthermore, being practical, if the Americans think that imprisoning Assange is going to stop Wikileaks, they're mad.>
I think many in positions of power are mad -- and what's more they want revenge.
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Keith, if you and other media types had been paying attention and doing your 'job' all this would be irrelevant. Why are you surprised that we appear to be governed by " fools, thieves and maniacs", duh! Why are you surprised that the Internet is coming back to bite those who would deal in secrets and lies. I am about to cancel both my PayPal and Amazon accounts just to spite myself!
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Furthermore, being practical, if the Americans think that imprisoning Assange is going to stop Wikileaks, they're mad. Things like PayPal and Amazon doing their dirty work for them are far more likely to succeed.
"You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea" - Civil Rights activist Medgar Evers, shot dead by the KKK in 1963.
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Devil's advocate hat on...
Assange does seem to be fairly sure he knows what is best for everyone.
Its not hard to see a guy like that as a rapist.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
Its not hard to see a guy like that as a rapist.
Congratulations: this is the longest bow I've seen anyone draw since Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves.
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"Assange does seem to be fairly sure he knows what is best for everyone. "
Unlike every politician, blog commenter ever? If you think that's how 'rapist' is defined, then I'm afraid you're surrounded by them...
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Keith. Thank you.
I am somewhat leery of the argument that Assange can never be arrested for anything
Burn straw man, burn.
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I am somewhat leery of the argument that Assange can never be arrested for anything, ever, because he'll automatically be rendered to the Americans and tortured for years, etc. It....puts him in a position I'm dubious he deserves to be in.
I agree though I do think we all need to be concerned about the risk that he will be mistreated; the recent extrajudicial behaviour of the UK and US governments may not be constrained to just folk who look like stereotypical terrorists (take for instance David Hicks).
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http://web.archive.org/web/20071020051936/http://iq.org/
Search for “Canberra” :-) And "ANU" :-)
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Heh
Thu 08 Jun 2006 : The history of warfare
The history of warfare is similarly subdivided, although here the phases
are Retribution, Anticipation, and Diplomacy. Thus:Retribution:
I'm going to kill you because you killed my brother.
Anticipation:
I'm going to kill you because I killed your brother.
Diplomacy:
I'm going to kill my brother and then kill you on the
pretext that your brother did it. -
richard, in reply to
H/T to Douglas Adams, but he omitted that.
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oh my - um just so full of interesting quotes
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Good lord. The bit on the etymology of the word cad was, well, I don't know the word, really. Germane?
But the diet & exercise advice is exceptionally useful. I shall tame the lobster and take up long distance running immediately.
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I agree, Keith. These cables help us see how much our usual media do not tell us....despite posts from people who claim all this was obvious anyway....As you say, we now have the opportunity to see our reality more clearly and with greater resolution....and they will shape the way we see our world and ourselves as citizens and voters.
Personally, I'd like to see the cables that went the OTHER way....to round out the picture. One diplomat's petulant, paranoid leader might be another diplomat's heroic leader....and they may both be right.
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