Hard News: Vision and dumbassery
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Jake Starrow, in reply to
1. It is my real name.
2. I have been polite.
3. I do listen.
4. I won't compromise on my Key-admiration status.
5. I won't turn on proven, highly respectable journalists just because their conclusions don't suit my bias.
6. I won't take name-calling directed at me comfortably.
7. I won't feel as though my opinions are somewhat diminished because I haven't been around long.
8. I did respond positively to Mr. Brown reminding me that it's not about me.
9. I never intend to offend but if putting forward my opinion does, I can't help that.
10. I would prefer being told that I'm not welcome based on having differing viewpoints to the PA status-quo as opposed to being regularly undermined by lowly ad-hominem comments. -
Ana Simkiss, in reply to
dude check yourself. I haven't seen one bit of ad hominem criticism directed at you. On the other hand, today you made "jokes" about checking Giovanni's papers and how feminists are oh so sensitive. If you listened more carefully you might have understood how that would go down.
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To be fair, I did call him an imbecile, but that was after a particularly creepy exchange he had with Danielle. And I fully stand by my assessment.
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And I called him a sock puppet, but that's because Jeremy Botham is his real...Sam Bryant is his real...Jake Starrow is his real name.
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Alfie, in reply to
I've set out to contribute respectfully and reasonably and intelligently today which I have.
Your contributions may seem that way to you and all three adverbs would probably apply if you were posting on the oily site.
But really Jake, (or whatever you're calling yourself today) -- have a look around... get a feel for the neighbourhood. Notice the tidy lawns and the absense of vandalism?
It's not all about you. Honestly.
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Jake Starrow, in reply to
Just today, I've been called "an imbecile" "a sock puppet" "a troll bingo" and "creep"
Without any ad hominem provocation but more fiercely defending the integrity of the likes of Fran O'Sullivan who was harshly defamed.
Relax everybody, your team might still win. It's no certainty either way .
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Richard Aston, in reply to
Just today, I’ve been called “an imbecile” “a sock puppet” “a troll bingo” and “creep”
And now a bunny .
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Jake Starrow, in reply to
are you aware of the clever mens hair colouring products that are available today Richard. They would give your appearance more credibility than your appearance.
Please note. Richard started it and I responded. And that's the usual pattern.
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Danielle, in reply to
You're just not very good at this. Have you considered taking up another hobby? Macramé? Interpretive dance?
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Dotty rat...
...aposiopesic fits...
Hey!
That's my shtick...Ya just gotta watch out for
those Factitious characters, though...;- )
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rather...."they would give your appearance more credibility than your abuse
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Kinda funny Danielle....like the flu can be on very rare occasions
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Another load of shoot the messenger tripe. You don’t like the conclusions Fran O’Sullivan comes to so you lash out at her personally.
Fran isn’t deranged, nor is she really stupid nor is she a liar…all of which you suggest she is.
And nor did Fran agree to run a story edited by the Nats under her own name.No, none of that, but in that column she’s gone completely tribal in election week in a way (Snowden using “stolen National Security Agency files”) that betrays her own good work every time she has reported on the basis of leaked documents.
Rather than dish out defamatory abuse, I suggest you go into a darkened room and chant a million times ” Maybe Fran got it right, maybe Fran got it right… etc etc etc.
No, she didn’t. That column is an absurd mish-mash of mistakes, omissions and non-sequitirs. Fran can be great, but that column is, frankly, terrible. There’s simply no excuse for quoting Key’s “no middle ground” opening gambit and not noting his progressive equivocations since.
That exercise might just bring you to your senses in some self-hypnotic kind of a way..
Stop it. I know you’re not the only doing the ad-hominem baiting, but you are the only one on your third pseudonym in two weeks. Do not push it.
Everyone else also, please don’t turn into Kiwiblog comments. You can rebut someone’s argument without personally attacking them.
I’ve had a very busy day and I may run out of patience soon.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
harshly defamed
Really? Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that she was defamed.
Or perhaps my post, to which you reacted so vehemently, was quite simply highlighting how absurd her conclusions were given the events of the last few days.
I will admit, as I have to Craig that using examples that intimated mental illness was a mistake. However, your response was as ludicrous as her original column. To threaten, and yes I use that word deliberately, defamation of her character was absurd.
Most readers here would take your post and the others that have followed it as trolling, whether you intended to troll or not. That is what people are trying to communicate to you when they suggest you should be aware of the neighbourhood and how at odds with it your comments are.
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Jake Starrow, in reply to
Ok. I'll give it my best shot to rise about the heckling. And I will. Was Fran really that bad?
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
Everyone else also
Yeah sorry Russell. Not my best work.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
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Paul Campbell, in reply to
1. It is my real name.
you should really google "Jake Starrow" (with the quotes), apart from your postings here all one gets is the defunct facebook page of some 13yr old english kid trying to look all gangster. It's as if you came into being out of the etherwhen you started posting here
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CJM,
He also intimated that I'd been trippin' on 'shrooms, but, you know I just let that kinda shit just, er………… wash….hmmmm………wait on……OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHWEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jake Starrow, in reply to
funny.
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Jake's a derivation of Jack. Starrow of Cornish stock.
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Paul, it is worse than that. Jake is a fourth generation New Zealander, and the government frowns upon people not registering Births or Deaths or Marriages. So as there has never been the Starrow family recorded in New Zealand, his parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents are all in trouble with the law.
Make a good supermarket checkout magazine article though, "I was an alien in my own country"
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Ah - I bet he's one of the wizard's mob then
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nzlemming, in reply to
Stop it. I know you’re not the only doing the ad-hominem baiting, but you are the only one on your third pseudonym in two weeks. Do not push it.
So, that's his final, final warning, then? ;-)
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Hey Jake. You’ve got to work these threads.Your not working out your audience.
Also Fran OS is not a great political journalist, come on, as this 2008 piece of absolute rubbish will attest to.
” What’s the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?One is a well-turned-out babe, a spunk and, let’s be frank, a pretty sexy piece of eye candy.The other kills her own food.After all the sanctimonious, highly chauvinistic and patronising columns slating the qualifications of the Alaskan Governor to be the Republican’s vice-presidential nominee candidate, the above gag had lethal cut-through, deflating the pomposity of US pundits and editorialists who had written the 44-year-old mom-of-five off well before she electrified the Republican convention with a speech that hit all the conservative touchstones.Palin’s forthright address to the Republican convention was a glorious respite after weeks of watching the Obama presidential machine wallow in a welter of visionary cliches that boil down to little more than a return to Big Government and hugging US enemies close. Big mistake.In Palin, the Republicans have their own smiling assassin who adds authenticity to the view that, as a result of the surge, US troops in Iraq have now brought victory in sight.While Obama indulges in breast-beating about the international opprobrium President George W. Bush courted by authorising the Iraq invasion in the first place, Palin prepares to farewell her own son to join the troops.This telling family story underlines, in a way that Obama cannot, that Palin is a heartland American, one of the many small-town parents who have farewelled loved ones to fight our wars, following in the tracks of her running mate John McCain in Vietnam.
New Zealand elites tend to scoff at this syndrome.
Palin’s messages are refracted through a liberal but horrendously politically correct lens that views the US as a war criminal for invading Iraq and would rather the next administration packs its tents ASAP and dog tails it back to Washington.
The reality is New Zealand does not have a viable defence force that is equipped to meet “higher threat situations” as was brought home this week in a cringe-making official report.
This country will be reliant on the US superpower to come to our aid if the notion that we live in a benign strategic environment is ever seriously challenged.
The Palin doctrine that America must be strong in a dangerous world is one of realism. New Zealand is in no position to take a higher moral ground when we so shamefully neglect our own interests.
Her underlying messages were stealthy. She’s proud of America in good times and bad (Obama isn’t). She’s an average hockey mom (Obama is an intellectual elitist).
She’s putting government on the side of the people (Obama isn’t).
If this is dog whistle politics, it’s something that we could do with hearing a lot more of here.
But unfortunately New Zealand’s conservative leader John Key would rather indulge his crush on Obama, than directly mix it by contesting Helen Clark with a clear agenda of his own.
Palin is pushing an energy independent future for the US – no longer at the mercy of foreign suppliers, producing more oil and gas at home.
Laying pipelines, building more nuclear plants, creating jobs with clean coals and investing in a raft of newer energy alternatives which will be brought by American ingenuity and produced by American workers.
Key’s spokespeople deny New Zealanders that same clear choice by shrouding policies in global warming cant. Who says Kiwis would rather save the world by opting for policies that drive our emitting businesses offshore rather than put our economic future first?
Key has yet so say so, yet the gap is there.
In his bones, the National leader is more aligned with the McCain/Palin world view, but he lacks the courage to make the case for policy clarity.
Take government spending. Key has “reduced headcount” during his days as a top Merrill Lynch manager.
But he shies away from extrapolating those experiences to the manner in which he will tackle government spending by advocating a sinking-lid policy rather than cutting non-productive departments and jobs.
Unlike Palin, he has not made the case for why National is really on the taxpayer’s side.”
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