Hard News: Incomplete, inaccurate and misleading
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And the PM also gets an apology from the SIS for letting him down. Truly Planet Key. Let's see how the absurdity plays with the public.
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Question for Mr Edgeler perhaps: has Ede committed a crime by destroying evidence for this inquiry? Prosecution and jail time would be a fitting outcome.
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Is there really such a thing as permanently deleting an email. Surely there is at least some forensic IT capacity somewhere in our state apparatus that could recover deleted correspondence.
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
You mean set loose the state's forensic IT capabilities on GMail or Yahoo? hah!
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The right wing commentator (Matthew Hooton I think) on National Radio this morning with Kathryn Ryan admitted that if Key had actually lied, then "the PM's pretty much finished". He also went on to say that "lying" is a word he couldn't use and all he could say is that Key's claims on the subject did not appear to coincide with the facts pertaining to it at the time.
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Ron Davis, in reply to
Is there really such a thing as permanently deleting an email
Exactly my thoughts at the time.
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mmm bring on 48 hours of unlicensed surveillance.
I like Goff on 9 - noon: why has Key not been required to give evidence under oath?
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The emails should be accessible through 5 eyes?
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And Key had the audacity, in the statement read a few minutes ago on Radio NZ National, to say the report proved a negative. Amazing how the universe follows different laws on PlanetKey.
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Answers to questions around 'what did Key know, and when?' are largely in Ede's hands. It's been evident since he 'disappeared' (the day Dirty Politics' came out) he could likely sink Key. Despite having a slew of his online conversations, his character remains largely unexamined, there's only one photo, and his motives and loyalties are obscure. Lotta pressure on this dude ...
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“the PM’s pretty much finished”
Attributable to Bernard Levin, I think: in politics, almost means 'not'.
As in - "his position is almost untenable". Meaning, quite tenable, thank you.
I thin it's long past time we got to grips with reality here. This is a unicameral, centralized system. The PM is not going to be grilled by a Grand Jury or a Senate Committee. He's certainly not going to be grilled by the Fourth Estate (he was once, by Guyon Espiner on the radio, and it was so extraordinary that we all swooned).
Finshed? By whom? How?
Of course he won't be, and no amount of wishful thinking makes it so.
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I expect the media has already lost interest because there was no evidence "that SIS officers had acted in collusion with Slater or under direction from the prime minister or the Prime Minister's Office". I'll be astonished if they don't also lap up Key's whitewash inquiry of Judith Collins - the one with terms of reference limited to the email leaked by Key himself. What a surprise that the findings are suddenly available for release today.
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Dismal Soyanz, in reply to
But if it was web-based email then that would depend on where the server was. I also doubt, given the very large volume of mail that does get deleted, the relevant emails would still be recoverable.
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Can someone tell me why this is not our Watergate moment?
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On November 17, 1973, President Richard Nixon infamously denied any involvement in the Watergate scandal with his now timeless defense. Thing is, he was.
JK will be OK though, he simply won't remember. When you are in deep, always go with what you know best.
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Ron Davis, in reply to
the report proved a negative. Amazing how the universe follows different laws on PlanetKey.
He was not speaking as a rational human being at the time, but as a rich man with similar intellectual abilities to that other rich bottom feeder, Donald Trump.
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simon g, in reply to
Can someone tell me why this is not our Watergate moment?
Because Nixon was finished off by newspapers, by his own party, by independent prosecutors, by the constitution, the list goes on - the list of things we ain't got.
We don't have Woodward and Bernstein, we have Hosking and Henry.
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Idiot Savant, in reply to
Yes. He's violated the Public Records Act.
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Ron Davis, in reply to
Can someone tell me why this is not our Watergate moment?
OK. Do you know that aria from Handel's Messiah"?: "All we like sheep..." Ponder on it a second.
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
The emails should be accessible through 5 eyes?
Fuck's sake, people. 5 Eyes is not a global panopticon that automatgically sees and stores every email of every person on the planet forever and always. We're talking about something that happened over three years ago!
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Ron Davis, in reply to
Finshed? By whom? How?
Key finished? If not by any instrument of state, then maybe in the much scaled eyes of at least 20,000 voters in 2017. That should help.
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
He’s violated the Public Records Act.
And faces a terrifying maximum fine of... $5,000.
I want jail time, not a paltry fine that he'll probably not even notice; if he were fined the maximum possible which, we all know, is incredibly unlikely. -
Matthew Poole, in reply to
Key finished? If not by any instrument of state, then maybe in the much scaled eyes of at least 20,000 voters in 2017.
I'm sure he's quaking in his pricey Prime Ministerial shoes at such a prospect. Teflon John looks likely to be living to lie another day.
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Ron Davis, in reply to
Teflon John looks likely to be living to lie another day.
Intimate congress the man.
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Aaaand ... here's the Collins SFO report.
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