Hard News: Illegal Highs
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Sacha, in reply to
Most night in A&Es they’re treating people
MoH are more of a policy unit these days. Don’t do any service delivery like the District Health Board hospitals.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Just a thought here, too. The MoH may not have considered it a particularly high priority. They’re also in the business of harm assessment, and emergency services very much so. While it might be something that they’d note, a rise in this kind of problem, how does it really stack up against the constant flow of people they have to treat?
The programme following Campbell Live was Road Cops, which was end-to-end alcohol-fuelled chaos. It was a serendipitous bit of programming.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
MoH are more of a policy unit these days. Don’t do any service delivery like the District Health Board hospitals.
Ah. Whereas what this situation really needed was troops on the ground.
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Sacha, in reply to
As was often the case in the 90s, neoliberal separation of policy and delivery creates gaps in understanding that cause harm.
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Google "Human Drug Trials" on the Guardian site. Interesting. Don't be rude, Shulgin. Respect to the elderly, not ranting....
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
MoH are more of a policy unit these days.
Whereas what this situation really needed was troops on the ground... plus reasonable and responsible governance?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Don’t be rude, Shulgin. Respect to the elderly, not ranting….
Agreed. No one needs to be rude here.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
a rise in this kind of problem, how does it really stack up against the constant flow of people they have to treat?
Herald has this comment from CADS
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Thanks Russell. For those of us who are interested these threads have been useful and civilised. I was living in the UK 2006 when volunteers died in these "human drug trials" .. so would not favour them for industry compliance. Students etc do it as a source of income..some go from one trial to the next .. spooky existence?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Thanks Russell. For those of us who are interested these threads have been useful and civilised. I was living in the UK 2006 when volunteers died in these “human drug trials” .. so would not favour them for industry compliance. Students etc do it as a source of income..some go from one trial to the next .. spooky existence?
I think you make a sound point about the limitations of safety trials. What's becoming clearer to me now is where the gaps have been on the ground. I'm still strongly of the view that this legislation was the right idea, but I also think no one realised what would have to be done to address what was a problem at street level long before the Act was passed.
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Idiot Savant, in reply to
Serious question: What would it take to set up a regime for "purity testing for active ingredients." Someone who knows please correct me if I'm way off base, but I got the impression that wasn't just something you can order off Amazon, or simply port in from overseas.
A bit of organisation to set up a sampling regime, and a contract with ESR. That should not have been difficult.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Yeah, and ISO9000 certified suppliers with certificates of conformity. It works well enough for $2 packets of paracetemol, so ought to be reasonable for $25 party pills.
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BenWilson, in reply to
Yes, a headline say the numbers are soaring. But that often happens with small numbers. It would be kind of nice to see this problem in perspective with other problems.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Yeah, and ISO9000 certified suppliers with certificates of conformity. It works well enough for $2 packets of paracetemol, so ought to be reasonable for $25 party pills.
Yup certificates of analysis are a requirement of the Code of Manufacturing Practice, which was finalised in January.
It would be interesting to know what is actually happening.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
a contract with ESR
and there used to be MedLabs nationwide until a lower bidder (I assume) took over contracts in Auckland and Canterbury/South Island - maybe they could step up into a new market?
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debunk, in reply to
Well its a learning curve for everyone. Talking to a friend who runs an environmental planting care group that is very successful..its a lot of work to get public involvement and buyin. Really that's what you're doing here, regardless of personal opinion .. I was a student of the late 60s in Christchurch when marijuana (and LSD) first appeared there socially (so far as I know)...whereas amphetamine was always regarded as a drug of the 50s! Nobody drank wine ..beer was a luxury for parties and keg beer pretty crap really ..if anyone remembers so far back in time.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
whereas amphetamine was always regarded as a drug of the 50s!
Yes! We tend to forget that. I recall Harry Lyon, whose parents were active in the 50s Auckland jazz/dancehall scene, telling me about asking his mum about a tablet she took before going out and being told "oh, that's my pep pill".
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Idiot Savant, in reply to
It would be interesting to know what is actually happening.
To the OIA!
Except someone else should do it, because I don't think I have the expertise to know what questions to ask.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Except someone else should do it, because I don’t think I have the expertise to know what questions to ask.
I meant to formulate a new request this morning, but things got busy.
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Sad to say but I suspect that the Govt depts do not know where to go from here. Very tricky situation legally and ethically.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Sad to say but I suspect that the Govt depts do not know where to go from here. Very tricky situation legally and ethically.
Follow Colorado.
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debunk, in reply to
Have suggested this several times earlier. Attention span of folk on these threads?
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Civil servants can't legalize cannabis. That has to come from politicians. And at this point, we're looking like it's at least an election cycle before we can even start talking rationally. First they have to ban everything, and see how that works. Presumably, it will be like it was last time, before the explosion of chemicals left the lawmakers behind. Now they've caught up and even jumped in the lead by the amazing expedient of extinguishing the rights of every NZer to any unprescribed substance, even ones that haven't been invented, that is psychoactive. Except, of course, for those that are already excepted (regardless of the known harms). These kinds of things can be done in NZ, because when you don't have a constitution, you don't even know what you're missing out on when you lose a fundamental right. You weren't even consulted.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
...suggested this several times earlier. Attention span of folk ...
Nothing wrong with a little repetition...
...images & ideas...
We like that round here!;- )
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actually it is mandatory to be rude in the face of....
yeah it is....so we have a public service, and a high level joint operation of health police and customs...NDIB headed up by D I S Mills...he released the Maxwell in secrecy upon the waiting ducks...opps rabbits...cannabis was sending kiwi to hospital in record numbers....but actually the social harm due to hospital admissions of 30 million and involving 60,000 bed nights...didn't actually exist when you got "particular"....
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10518236
...so we battled over the extract ICD 10 the cops told the ombudsman it was "lost" or incorrectly saved....
but I had to be rude and managed a copy of the extract...fiddling figures or incompetent...
so um DI S MIlls...where are all those thousands of hospital admissions due soley to cannabis gone seeing your maxwell report was now considered "outdated"...and you still have a job....I will be rude...retract it properly DI MIlls...
...and actually stu and Ross...complications of child birth are not "soley" due to cannabis....
and I wonder seeing john key cares about rabbits and not rodents...which cuntry will do our testing...please give me the list ...John
eeek....no rudeness on my part...
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