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  • debunk, in reply to Shulgin,

    Shulgin

    "eeek" ..meek mousey response?
    "no rudeness on my part" ..which part?

    Twit..gentle aged rebuke ..

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2012 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Shulgin, in reply to debunk,

    freak-eek...kush,,,bull shit...

    I dunno.... get specific with your excel spreadshit I say...

    there is either thousands of cannabis.... hospital admissions...due solely to D I Mills idea...or there isn't...

    hey debunk why don't you reproduce the data...ya TWIT...

    but i have both spreadsheets debunk....

    good on ya'all....

    and to Ross Bell,,,,,anniversary cake?

    NZ • Since May 2011 • 125 posts Report Reply

  • Shulgin,

    and I have a membership...by donation... to
    http://www.erowid.org/

    ...such thoughtful people....

    ginger slice or tan square?

    NZ • Since May 2011 • 125 posts Report Reply

  • debunk, in reply to Shulgin,

    With all due respect Shulgin what are you raving on about? I don't know anyone in the administrative or promotional or academic or pharmaceutical drug business in NZ, as you should have gathered. I have been interested in legal highs since working in the health sector in the UK 2005 onwards with strange ones like Meow causing problems there. Found your first post on different forms of inhaling or smoking one of the Highs (can't recall which one you quoted) really good and well written and it seems all downhill from there. Why?

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2012 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Shulgin, I don't want to censor or ban you, but I need you to take it down a few notches, please.

    And you've made your point about Stuart Mills (and Ross Bell) repeatedly now. Please, no more.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Shulgin,

    sure russell no problem...I'll go away.

    NZ • Since May 2011 • 125 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Attachment

    From 1916, the cover of the door-stop sized Library of Health says it all, really...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Andre,

    I think the government is creating a void that will obviously be filled by something and to do so blindly in a knee jerk fashion seems to be bad governance, intentional criminalisation of a large portion of the population and worse.

    New Zealand • Since May 2009 • 368 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Shulgin,

    sure russell no problem…I’ll go away.

    You don't have to go away, just ease up a bit.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Andre,

    seems to be bad governance, intentional criminalisation of a large portion of the population and worse.

    Soo, no change there then. Thanks Nactional, UFked up.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    I like this Brian Rudman article. The man makes sense.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to BenWilson,

    I think the new name for Dunne should be “Silver Hammer”.

    The suggestion that John Key has lost his moral compass with his suggestion that "Other Jurisdictshuns, or Rats, are better places to test this shit rather than here, with us bunnies.
    I guess that must have some baring on the strength of the Silver Hammer's personality.
    </coat>

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Wowzers. Latest batch of pill tests from the Erowid-manage EcstasyData.org:

    ONE of the EIGHT pills they tested had actual MDMA in it. And they couldn't even identify some of the shit.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Shulgin,

    "You can ban drugs, but you can't ban chemistry"

    hope that link is acceptable...longer than a sound byte..and even Beatles in it!

    Drugs: regulation & harm. Professor David Nutt

    ...he makes so much sense...i guess that is why he was sacked and marginalized..

    take care out there...in the silk road.....

    NZ • Since May 2011 • 125 posts Report Reply

  • Virginia Brooks, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Re Rudmans article - he is spot on. But humans are not the only mammals seeking seeking highs.

    Apparently juvenile dolphins congregate in circles and pass puffer fish between themselves to get high. Bonus: this article features the excellent fake turtle cam which helped catch the incriminating footage (hilarious):

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/dolphins-deliberately-get-high-on-puffer-fish-nerve-toxins-by-carefully-chewing-and-passing-them-around-9030126.html

    Since Jun 2008 • 43 posts Report Reply

  • Virginia Brooks,

    Both great clips Shulgin, thanks.

    re: 'you can ban drugs but you cant ban chemistry'... Mike Power describes the cultural shift accompanying the synthetics industry well.
    Ok, he is from the UK and does not live in NZ, but can we vote him in at the next election?! What he is saying makes sense.

    Since Jun 2008 • 43 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I put a post on the Heralds site the other day and, remarkably, got a sane and interesting response in respect of the Cultural shift toward illicit drugs and the Puffing Dolphins…

    Barnzy
    “""legalise the safe ones. Mushrooms, mescaline and peyote, all have been used for thousands of years and have been shown to be safe. And marijuana, the most widely used drug in the US."* If that had been done, there wouldn’t be any of the synthetics, “which are far more dangerous”.” 100% correct. The problem is the “Do Gooders” that want to control everybody else’s lives while keeping their eyes closed to reality on the grounds that “Drugs are bad, M’kay” Alcohol and Tobacco are known to be far more harmful that the occasional “Joint” but accepted by society as fine if used in moderation but mention cannabis or any other natural recreational substance and we are told they are a gateway to hell and the Devil himself. Dunne, in his infinite wisdom, decided that synthetics were preferable to the natural substances that have been used for thousands of years, playing God much? And they say its the “Druggies” that don’t want to face reality.”

    Graham – Howick
    Drugs such as you mentioned have been used for thousands of years. However their use was generally restricted to ritual/religious/war use. Alcohol on the other hand was used in many countries as a food and water substitute because of a) the lack of food and b) The water was to dangerous to drink.

    The use of drugs/tobacco and alcohol the way it is used today is a relatively new phenomenon. Some one realized their was a market and money to made. Hence their use changed from the ritual/religious/necessary/war to a commercial setting bringing about the problems and debate we have today.

    Not that Dolphins have much truck with ritual/religious/war scenarios.

    * David E Nichols, Quoted from Hidden Dangers of legal highs Article by Mike Power

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Legality of Cannabis by Country
    Interesting read and graphic. Apparently legal in North Korea but you never know what really goes on in North Korea.
    Uruguay seems to have gone the most sensible way, legalise and tax.
    And who would have thought those up tight Swiss would allow you to grow your own?.
    As for India The joint campaign: Should we not legalize recreational use of Cannabis?
    We seem so backward and ignorant here.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Peaches Geldoff od's. Tox report.
    Now here is a drug (Heroin) that really has no way of determining strength, unless you chase the Dragon which is the natural process. Once it's in powder form ,and once people shoot it up, an overdose can occur within a minute and that is all she wrote. An overdose is just nodding off and not coming to, for those not in the know. Very simply though, one leaves the world. Sometimes one is not alone and help arrives in time. Sometimes friends can bring you around in time and if they monitor you ,you will survive. Guaranteed though an overdose will not stop that person having another dose until they decide to give it away, if ever. I suspect it's the same with all drugs but some people can just decide to indulge occasionally and that really is what works for cannabis. Shooting Heroin takes some people away but that is a given and I dont think it is a problem. It's a natural order. jmo

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    As for Indica
    The joint campaign: Should we not legalize recreational use of Cannabis?

    There, fixed that for you!
    No, don't thank me,
    really, it was nothing...

    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    As for Indica

    oh ok then…..:-)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    As for Indica ...
    ...There, fixed that for you!

    that is sativactry.
    :-D

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    So this story popped up this morning in the national news. Apparently a group of legal high retailers have started to organise and lobby in favour of a system like the new regime discussed in this thread.

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1027 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Turns out this was in the pipeline all along ...

    The Psychoactive Substances Regulatory Authority has withdrawn and recalled six products on the basis of adverse effect reporting.

    This casts an interesting light on Peter Dunne's claim that available reports could not be linked to any particular products.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Turns out this was in the pipeline all along …

    I see what you did there…

    That document you linked to there is the press release? dated 1 May?
    Did yo mean This One? dated 27 January.
    They have known for 3 months and done nothing about it until now.
    How's that for public safety?'

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

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