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  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    Most night in A&Es they’re treating people

    MoH are more of a policy unit these days. Don’t do any service delivery like the District Health Board hospitals.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    Just a thought here, too. The MoH may not have considered it a particularly high priority. They’re also in the business of harm assessment, and emergency services very much so. While it might be something that they’d note, a rise in this kind of problem, how does it really stack up against the constant flow of people they have to treat?

    The programme following Campbell Live was Road Cops, which was end-to-end alcohol-fuelled chaos. It was a serendipitous bit of programming.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    MoH are more of a policy unit these days. Don’t do any service delivery like the District Health Board hospitals.

    Ah. Whereas what this situation really needed was troops on the ground.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    As was often the case in the 90s, neoliberal separation of policy and delivery creates gaps in understanding that cause harm.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • debunk,

    Google "Human Drug Trials" on the Guardian site. Interesting. Don't be rude, Shulgin. Respect to the elderly, not ranting....

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2012 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Russell Brown,

    MoH are more of a policy unit these days.
    Whereas what this situation really needed was troops on the ground

    ... plus reasonable and responsible governance?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to debunk,

    Don’t be rude, Shulgin. Respect to the elderly, not ranting….

    Agreed. No one needs to be rude here.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to BenWilson,

    a rise in this kind of problem, how does it really stack up against the constant flow of people they have to treat?

    Herald has this comment from CADS

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • debunk,

    Thanks Russell. For those of us who are interested these threads have been useful and civilised. I was living in the UK 2006 when volunteers died in these "human drug trials" .. so would not favour them for industry compliance. Students etc do it as a source of income..some go from one trial to the next .. spooky existence?

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2012 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to debunk,

    Thanks Russell. For those of us who are interested these threads have been useful and civilised. I was living in the UK 2006 when volunteers died in these “human drug trials” .. so would not favour them for industry compliance. Students etc do it as a source of income..some go from one trial to the next .. spooky existence?

    I think you make a sound point about the limitations of safety trials. What's becoming clearer to me now is where the gaps have been on the ground. I'm still strongly of the view that this legislation was the right idea, but I also think no one realised what would have to be done to address what was a problem at street level long before the Act was passed.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Serious question: What would it take to set up a regime for "purity testing for active ingredients." Someone who knows please correct me if I'm way off base, but I got the impression that wasn't just something you can order off Amazon, or simply port in from overseas.

    A bit of organisation to set up a sampling regime, and a contract with ESR. That should not have been difficult.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1716 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    Yeah, and ISO9000 certified suppliers with certificates of conformity. It works well enough for $2 packets of paracetemol, so ought to be reasonable for $25 party pills.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Yes, a headline say the numbers are soaring. But that often happens with small numbers. It would be kind of nice to see this problem in perspective with other problems.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Yeah, and ISO9000 certified suppliers with certificates of conformity. It works well enough for $2 packets of paracetemol, so ought to be reasonable for $25 party pills.

    Yup certificates of analysis are a requirement of the Code of Manufacturing Practice, which was finalised in January.

    It would be interesting to know what is actually happening.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    a contract with ESR

    and there used to be MedLabs nationwide until a lower bidder (I assume) took over contracts in Auckland and Canterbury/South Island - maybe they could step up into a new market?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • debunk, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Well its a learning curve for everyone. Talking to a friend who runs an environmental planting care group that is very successful..its a lot of work to get public involvement and buyin. Really that's what you're doing here, regardless of personal opinion .. I was a student of the late 60s in Christchurch when marijuana (and LSD) first appeared there socially (so far as I know)...whereas amphetamine was always regarded as a drug of the 50s! Nobody drank wine ..beer was a luxury for parties and keg beer pretty crap really ..if anyone remembers so far back in time.

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2012 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to debunk,

    whereas amphetamine was always regarded as a drug of the 50s!

    Yes! We tend to forget that. I recall Harry Lyon, whose parents were active in the 50s Auckland jazz/dancehall scene, telling me about asking his mum about a tablet she took before going out and being told "oh, that's my pep pill".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It would be interesting to know what is actually happening.

    To the OIA!

    Except someone else should do it, because I don't think I have the expertise to know what questions to ask.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1716 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    Except someone else should do it, because I don’t think I have the expertise to know what questions to ask.

    I meant to formulate a new request this morning, but things got busy.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • debunk,

    Sad to say but I suspect that the Govt depts do not know where to go from here. Very tricky situation legally and ethically.

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2012 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to debunk,

    Sad to say but I suspect that the Govt depts do not know where to go from here. Very tricky situation legally and ethically.

    Follow Colorado.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • debunk, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Have suggested this several times earlier. Attention span of folk on these threads?

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2012 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Civil servants can't legalize cannabis. That has to come from politicians. And at this point, we're looking like it's at least an election cycle before we can even start talking rationally. First they have to ban everything, and see how that works. Presumably, it will be like it was last time, before the explosion of chemicals left the lawmakers behind. Now they've caught up and even jumped in the lead by the amazing expedient of extinguishing the rights of every NZer to any unprescribed substance, even ones that haven't been invented, that is psychoactive. Except, of course, for those that are already excepted (regardless of the known harms). These kinds of things can be done in NZ, because when you don't have a constitution, you don't even know what you're missing out on when you lose a fundamental right. You weren't even consulted.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to debunk,

    ...suggested this several times earlier. Attention span of folk ...

    Nothing wrong with a little repetition...

    ...images & ideas...
    We like that round here!

    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Shulgin,

    actually it is mandatory to be rude in the face of....
    yeah it is....

    so we have a public service, and a high level joint operation of health police and customs...NDIB headed up by D I S Mills...he released the Maxwell in secrecy upon the waiting ducks...opps rabbits...cannabis was sending kiwi to hospital in record numbers....but actually the social harm due to hospital admissions of 30 million and involving 60,000 bed nights...didn't actually exist when you got "particular"....

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10518236

    ...so we battled over the extract ICD 10 the cops told the ombudsman it was "lost" or incorrectly saved....

    but I had to be rude and managed a copy of the extract...fiddling figures or incompetent...

    so um DI S MIlls...where are all those thousands of hospital admissions due soley to cannabis gone seeing your maxwell report was now considered "outdated"...and you still have a job....I will be rude...retract it properly DI MIlls...

    ...and actually stu and Ross...complications of child birth are not "soley" due to cannabis....

    and I wonder seeing john key cares about rabbits and not rodents...which cuntry will do our testing...please give me the list ...John

    eeek....no rudeness on my part...

    NZ • Since May 2011 • 125 posts Report Reply

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