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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • Sacha, in reply to Paul Williams,

    I’ve not seen media mention of it yet

    might not be able to have her as a 'commentator' if they out her connections..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

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    May 8, 2012
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    Jordan Williams, 5/8, 8:41am

    Is Josie pagani, john’s daughter?
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    Cameron Slater, 5/8, 8:41am

    Went shooting with her on Sunday

    Yes, in the latest dump. An error of judgment indeed. If true. Which is something we need to keep in mind.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    (I cast no party vote in 1996, and you should have no problem guessing why if I say I was living in Wellington Central at the time.)

    And on cue, Campaign pops up at NZ on Screen. Wish I had time to watch it.
    ETA: Threw that in before catching up. Whew.
    Crucially, so far whatever contact JK had with Whale, he was smart/lucky enough to a/ use a proxy, Ede or b/ talk, rather than email or text. Just the harmless old metadata on Slater's phone would be interesting.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Lawyer Details - Odgers - NZ Law Society.pdf

    Here's a little item I found interesting. On Monday 1/9/14, I visited the Law Societies register to check Odgers' details and printed it (PDF attached).

    Today, I visited and saw this

    Note: you won't even get that page if you search for her.

    If there's any of the legal profession on here, it gives you no benefit to have your professional body appear to be hiding things. We do know how to find them.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    Which is something we need to keep in mind.

    Like being Dick Cheney's shooting companion, perhaps?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to nzlemming,

    Yes, I saw the page you've taken a copy of, with her current practicing certificate still on it.
    Very curious.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Rob S,

    I want to see a full Royal Commission looking into all of the matters arising from dirty politics and subsequent whaledump releases. This is so necessary!

    With Justices Brian Leveson, Raymond Finkelsten, Tony Fitzgerald, and Ian Binnie.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5445 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    I think the Paganis may be regular hunting partners of the Lusk/Williams nexus. Also Nash. Obviously people can be mates with whomever but really.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    I think the Paganis may be regular hunting partners of the Lusk/Williams nexus

    Explains a lot :(
    Also gives a sinister/pathetic note when they are wheeled out to give 'balance' as 'commentators from the left'.
    Did they get a big thumbs up from the 'govt media team'?

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    And the madness continues ...

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10461345/Cameron-Slater-takes-legal-action

    Kind of a shame that the Minister of Justice is gone, it would be great to hear her considered judgment on this.

    Key in 2011, Slater in 2014 ... freedom of speech under attack, Free Speech Coalition silent.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Caleb D'Anvers,

    I know a lot of working journalists are dismissive of Herman and Chomsky's "propaganda model," but I can't help thinking the glimpse behind the curtain we've had over the past few weeks tends to confirm it. The actions of the "government media team," and media willingness to be thus controlled and dictated to, provide a vivid case study in how the ideas of the ruling class get to be the ruling ideas, in this little epoch anyway.

    London SE16 • Since Mar 2008 • 482 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Ede is the 'missing link' between Key and Slater. It's not a coincidence he's vanished. Was he at work the day "dirty politics" came out and gone the next morning?
    Has he agreed to appear at the 'inquiry'? Will it be under oath?

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Yes, in the latest dump. An error of judgment indeed. If true. Which is something we need to keep in mind.

    For mine, Ms Pagani's history was sufficient to not prefer her relative to many other longstanding members.. This just helps me rationalise my prejudice.

    I think the Paganis may be regular hunting partners of the Lusk/Williams nexus. Also Nash. Obviously people can be mates with whomever but really

    I can't generate that level of equanimity.

    FWIW, I find Hooton a more credible in all this, 'cause I know what he believes... Then again, I was surprised by Mora's/RNZ's subtle bias so perhaps I'm up for the Pollyanna award?

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Dismal Soyanz, in reply to simon g,

    I wouldn't call it madness (yet). It is Slater desperately trying prevent his world from completely imploding.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Nothing new, but a little mash-up around the one moment JK talked openly – if a little shame-faced looking- of his association with Slater.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Joining the dots goes on- this from Selwyn Manning.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    neither the National Party hierarchy nor the Prime Minister, nor campaign manager Steven Joyce, nor the Prime Minister’s Chief of Staff has commanded that a data-trawl of all communications between the Government’s executive wing, Ministers, political appointees, and National Party hacks, and Cameron Slater the founder of Whaleoil.

    Possibly, they know it's been so widespread, and lead from the top, that there's no way to counter it so they just going to make believe it never happened. Good luck with that strategy.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Contact A believes: “The PM lied over the OIA… How could he not know about sensitive documents on Goff being released when he admitted on Saturday and yesterday how efficient his office operated over the email alleging Collins ran a campaign against Feeley [the former Serious Fraud Office boss]. Its not credible,” Contact A said.

    Nice!

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • stephen walker, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    i haven't lived in NZ for a long time, and i hardly ever watch videos with Key in them, but looking at that youtube clip, i just cannot figure something out. his smirk is arrogant and sickening, his demeanour is patronising. why is this guy so popular with "middle nz"? i cannot fathom it at all. not even slightly. everything about him seems evasive and un-leader-like. the act he puts on for the cameras seems so thin and transparent. the "nice bloke" thing, it's just an act, but people don't see that? i despised Muldoon back in the day too, but at least he had some leadership qualities so it was possible to see why a big chunk of the population liked him. but Key? cannot figure it at all. is this some sort of reflection of how people in NZ have lost their world-famous "bullshit detector" instinct? some pop-psych or even professional psychological analysis of how this works would be much appreciated. anyone? thanks.

    nagano • Since Nov 2006 • 645 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to stephen walker,

    some pop-psych or even professional psychological analysis of how this works would be much appreciated. anyone? thanks.

    It's a machine that has been operating for many years . Slowly slowly catchy monkey. To question the machine, you are labelled a "conspiracy theorist". At the mo , "it's a left wing smear campaign". The threat , the fear , the trust in our leader to look after us is all part of the machine. As soon as the media believes, it becomes a constant feed of press releases. Our media just copy and paste. then the complicit Mps thinking the Slug is an avenue finished off their ability to con. That only took money and there is plenty of that on the right.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to stephen walker,

    v

    It's worth noting that a few weeks ago, the indignation over the 'Fuck John Key' chant was not entirely feigned. Some people had a really hard time believing that other people might genuinely despise their guy. I'm surrounded socially by people who dislike Key, but I know that there are social communities who believe wholly different things about him.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    May 8, 2012
    ————————-
    Jordan Williams, 5/8, 8:41am

    Is Josie pagani, john’s daughter?
    ————————-
    Cameron Slater, 5/8, 8:41am

    Went shooting with her on Sunday

    Yes, in the latest dump. An error of judgment indeed. If true. Which is something we need to keep in mind.

    Cunliffe back in 2011:
    Pointing to former UK prime minister Tony Blair and his regular meetings with media boss Rupert Murdoch, he said opposition parties, which were supposed to be the solution, too often become part of the problem.

    Josie Pagani has been a longtime Blair apologist. It's a position from which she's never resiled.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to stephen walker,

    Remember how much personal shit Helen Clarke copped?

    Different groups of people can look at the same thing and see two different things. From a purely psychological perspective, it is quite fascinating.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    The vitriol Clark received and the way it was framed (sexual) really made me wonder about human nature and politics at the time.

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1027 posts Report Reply

  • CJM,

    It's utterly depressing. The New Zealand I thought I knew has hardened into a mini-me reflection of the very worst of american republican/democrat division.
    A trivial analogy would liken it to one of those Beatles stereo LPs from the early days.

    Stuff in the right channel, stuff in the left channel and a yawning chasm in the middle. Of course, there are the other parties operating but the continual propaganda shaping their profile to the hard-core entrenched head-in-the-sanders has them as some sort of greek hydra or worse.

    Key is appalling. Charmless, smarmy, witless, utterly untrustworthy. But to his supporters he's _their_ charmless, smarmy, witless liar and you'd have to pry him from their cold, dead hands.

    The government are neck deep in Slaters pigshit yet it seems that as long as the head-in-the-sanders can still see the flop sweat on Key's brow it's a sign he still has a pulse.

    It's a travesty.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

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