Discussion: On Copyright

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  • Sacha,

    Looks like a bubble is a possible answer.

    Not wanting to reactivate debate about the music industry, but wasn't there some discussion here recently about the impact of the "baby blip" on crime levels during the 1990s?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Anyone else got a vision of how things might work?

    Jon, not sure if you found your way to the earlier parts of the thread, where I made a suggestion which I later summarised thus:

    I've proposed a substantial IP bank (which is really a specialist economic development agency) as a mechanism for boosting and sharing return over time, and encouraging confidence in creators to share their work and foster a thriving local creative economy.

    Still keen on hearing from others if they think it could work.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Of course, that's once you're all back from drinking Damian's prize or sniffing them ponies.. :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • jon_knox,

    Robbery wrote:

    I smell drugs

    A startlingly frank admission there from Robbery...If you're only "smelling" drugs, you're probably quite like people that are talking to their drugs (you know the crowd that "just say 'No' to drugs"), which means you're not sufficiently lucid enough to really need them.

    Steve wrote:

    Ok then Drugs and ponies too.
    WooooHoooo :-)

    Steve needs to be referred to a couple of posts I've made previously regarding his behavour and facial ticks & secret smiles.

    Sacha worte:

    where I made a suggestion

    Yip, I did see that. I think you were perhaps the first to bravely do so. I also see that you're advocating sniffing ponies, which is a great idea for the anthem vid.....Well get Morgan to help with that....well "help" may be the wrong word. We'll try to get Morgan to do it...Actually scratch that, I've just seen Morgan with some Stella and then there is the Cheeseburger & sausage vids....edgy...er.."very"edgy.

    Perhaps we need to close out the thread. Perform a review to identify the gold, summarise and have the thread re-launch with a synopsis of where we have already been and what we're agreeing to set aside/let go for the moment. I'm aware that with the sheer number of comments, it's gonna be hard for new participants to participate and add value without perhaps picking the scab off an issue that had been dealt with, or that perhaps is best left alone. 29 pages of comments and not all of them are entirely relvent...(my bad).

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    Perhaps we need to close out the thread.

    you started off so well (9 tenths of the way through the convo), and then you went all abstract on us jon.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    went all abstract on us jon.

    I reckon jon could copyright that. ;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    you started off so well (9 tenths of the way through the convo), and then you went all abstract on us jon.

    I blame the ponies.. :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    I reckon jon could copyright that. ;)

    he could have if mark hadn't already sampled it and released it under his own name as an original work. now the onus is on jon to prove he came up with it first and that mark willfully plagerised,

    sofie, nice of you to join us. it was getting a bit male in here.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    he could have if mark hadn't already sampled it and released it under his own name as an original work. now the onus is on jon to prove he came up with it first and that mark willfully plagerised,

    That's about where I don't fit in. My difficulty is this as by way of example. I paint a picture, it comes from my head ( not an identical twin, I am but one) Someone sees it, wants it and is prepared to pay for it. At that point I'll say, it cost so and so to make so what do you think you would like to pay for it ? I have never been let down and am rather humbled at others response. I often forget to sign stuff but will if asked. Now if someone wants to copy it, I would be flattered I guess ,not bothered because I only ever do a piece once. (i admit that I do put my thumb print on there somewhere.)
    We also have pretty distinctive jewellery that has been made from my parents (and myself) for many years and the copies that have emerged are definitely copies and it has never bothered us because we have made them an affordable original, constantly changing the designs but keeping the master idea and the proof is in the knowing where you get them, and that keeps them exclusive, because they are rare. That,s all really.Creativity for me is not about protection.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    That,s all really.Creativity for me is not about protection.

    but you wouldn't deny protection to those who did need it?

    its often mis read that stronger copyright means everyone is going to enforce their tighter controls over their work, and lets face it most creative types are kinda .......cruisy as a sector of the population.

    there's nothing stopping artists from making their stuff freely available now, you don't have to enforce your copyright, but for those who need or want to the law should back them up.

    its cool you're generating enough to get by on from what you do, but what say things change and people who copied your work are undercutting you and you're going out of business and they're getting by now on the strength of the ideas they took from you. are you going to want your rights then?

    I'm not sure how rules work with copying a product and re-manufacturing it as opposed to directly duplicating an musical or film idea, where its easy to identify what has been taken.
    maybe your jewelery isn't sufficiently different to enact some kind of restriction on others. hard to say. but ..... maybe you know more about that sort of thing for your field?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    maybe your jewelery isn't sufficiently different to enact some kind of restriction on others. hard to say. but ..

    Oh it's sufficient. It's unique, and if someone thinks copying is the way to go, C'est la vie!The important difference (for moi) is the pleasure derived from the creation, which cannot be copied. My tears of joy or excitement within cannot be taken and as only one part of this planet it matters not. Also music stuff for me is all about seeing it live, (Neil Young yay!!!) I will gladly part with the cold hard cash to see the artist perform. See that is where I just dont fit in.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    See that is where I just dont fit in.

    why do you have to fit in?
    can it not be "C'est la Vie" for you and "I need to pay for what it took for me to create this for someone else. you don't have to fit in but others shouldn't have to fit your mold either.
    live music for you, (not jumping the fence etc) and recorded for someone else who doesn't like crowds.
    a different set of rules for the product your consuming and you'll be able to understand the costs involved in a live gig and realise if you do jump a fence that you're making it just that much harder for the artist you "support" to come back with more (and fuel their drug habit which may or may not contribute to their creativity which you may or may not like)

    its cool that you don't feel the commercial imperative to have to stake out your turf, but some do.
    I guess the question is, even though you're sweet in your situation are you cool with others who need the protection of copyright and do you see their side and support their argument?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Oh and Rob, if my ideas were popular and god forbid I became an undercut artist I would be able to unload the next lot of ideas and probably get a better sleep. Punk's not dead yeah :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Problem is Rob that you keep singing the same song, you have to sing a new one that no one has heard before because songs are so easy to sing and they lose their flavor on the bedpost overnight . If I want to hear you sing it, then I will be glad to pay. ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    why do you have to fit in?

    Because law/protection/democracy demands it. To be good is not the question, that is easy. Human nature seems bent (and remember it's just my view) on climbing on the snakes and ladders board and we have thieves and fraud and we have choice and voice so I may think one can claim ownship and the next should not. I will voice this opinion on an individual basis, why,? because we all have choice but if you are just plain simple good, it would not be necessary to claim " this (insert whatever here) is about me"

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    you keep singing the same song,

    I'm with jon on this one, I don't do the singy thing.

    I would be able to unload the next lot of ideas and probably get a better sleep

    way to side step an easy question sofie. I got to use that technique myself, hang on, I just did it above. brilliant :)

    I was testing your empathy sofie and you answered about yourself, which is cool in its own way I guess.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    because we all have choice but if you are just plain simple good, it would not be necessary to claim " this (insert whatever here) is about me"
    histories riddled with stories of the simply good who got shafted.
    I think that's why society, which is striving for equality and fairness creates these laws.
    law of the jungle is the fittest, cunninest and the person prepared to be the most fucked and get away with it prospers, law of modern society is we look after out sick and aged, and protect those who need protecting regardless of who they are, or that's the theory behind it. I kinda like the concept. helps me sleep easier at night.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    I know you are, but you seem to be stuck to the concept that piracy is definitely doing dreadful damage to the music industry.

    Ah, no..I'm on record here and at a multitude of places saying quite the opposite. It's you that's assuming that I'm saying that. If you go back here a year or so you'll find me saying that Soulseek is your friend amongst other things.

    I've long advocated embracing piracy and tried to force a label to release a single via p2p almost two years back. None of what you are saying here is radical stuff Mark. It may be to majors' legal teams, but not to the people at the coal face. I find it funny when industry outsiders, like that Professor Fader, try to tell the industry things they've known for years as if it's some sort of revelation from above.

    I agree that there is piracy, and I agree the music industry bodies (labels and advocates) are not seeing the same revenue they grew used to during the nineties. .

    Yes, but you've still failed to back your argument that piracy is not having an effect. A few figures here and there and a few blog posts prove nothing. And the handbag is relevant if you are quoting the lost jobs research because that's pretty much what it relates to..handbags, golf clubs, watches, software and music and anything else.

    It's wide ranging and I'm not sure it's correct and mostly it's not relevant to the recording industry because kids don't sit online scouring the web for handbags. You raised that data.

    gosh, wasn't Napster around then

    But not fast broadband which is the killer. Not sure why you quoted those figures, they're neither here nor there as the real downturn came from about 2005 onwards and correlated to the arrival of such.

    I'm not disputing the downloading happens. I am suggesting that the negative impact on the industry is heavily overstated.

    which, once again is what I've been saying for years, although I'm thinking that it may be you that's heavily understating it too, and it's an opinion you are free to express but you seem unable to back it.

    Yes, kids have. But they may have heard a wider range from radio when there weren't so many niche stations.

    Maybe from an NZ perspective but in the world's bigger markets it ain't true and hasn't been for decades. And I'm confused as your idea that new music ain't selling...that's exactly what IS selling, just not in the same numbers for a variety of reasons, piracy being one.

    You don't seem to want to consider that piracy might not be the Big Bad the industry says it is. In fact, you say it must be a factor.

    Yes, I think it's a factor in the downturn, and not an insignificant one, especially in absence of any evidence otherwise and tossing logic into the mix: kids listen to music pretty much as they always have; they have machines full of it; that music is free all over the place; a certain percentage is stolen. Do I think that is the only reason? No and nowhere close to it.

    I don't agree, as I think the crap business model the industry is still labouring to preserve is more at fault (plus the economy).

    Ah, yes..exactly as I've been saying for quite some years. Please don't put words into my mouth.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Someone pointed out to me the other day "Have you noticed how many bands are reforming?" I thought "Yup, time to go back to work, (free) lunch is over.
    Consumers 1 Producers 1
    Best of three?

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    And let's sidestep (it's Labour Weekend) does anyone want an Oak tree. I now have 38 that I have potted up from the border of the inconsiderate neighbours and our land and all will need a home. Already passed on some but there, if anyone likes. They are from what was a beautiful tree (RIP) All in a good days work!Now I just watched the S.A.F.E. ad, I go for a cry now.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    histories riddled with stories of the simply good who got shafted.

    And those are the ones I admire, so maybe that is the whole point? RESPECT

    law of the jungle is the fittest,

    Well "jungle" survival is another kettle of fish. It is civilisation that is constantly proving greed doesn't work.Look at the small % of civilisation trying to control "more (insert whatever here)" The majority is just plain, simple, good. That and respect could sort copyright. I will help whoever needs my help, and believe you me, physically, it has helped myself,mentally, to be more prepared than in the past, just by trying. Black eyes and squashed bits don't change with a new law but I have a voice and I don't mind using it. I just see it difficult to judge without having walked in someone elses shoes, moccasins, roller skates etc(insert whatever here)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Actually maybe "attitude"would help also.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Actually maybe "attitude"would help also.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Sorry Computer fukup

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    I thought "Yup, time to go back to work, (free) lunch is over.

    you think they're reforming to make money? hahahahaha, good one.
    They're reforming cos they've gone through the mid life crisis and are looking for what made their lives valid when they was youff.
    They're als reforming cos a lot of their old audience are pining for the hey day when their favourite bands were largely unheralded and the passage of time has seen their recognition grow,

    I present example 1 - straitjacket fits.
    example 2 -ak 79 reforms.

    none of these people will be making money.

    The police and steely dan might be though.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

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