Posts by Dinah Dunavan
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Driving down I95 from Connecticut to New Jersey in 2007. Hearing a 1990s NZ hit song on the radio - How Bizarre.
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I've raced through 9 pages of comments and now that the conversation seems to have veered off somewhat I think I'm done. But I do have to ask Angus or someone with a better memory than mine, just where did the idea that the young woman in question had had fantasies about being a "dirty whore" come from? I can only recall reference to a fantasy of having group sex (possibly with irishmen)? How does this equal "dirty whore" fantasy?
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@ Just Thinking - My friend is frighteningly honest about her life. If she had been 'on the game' before the law change she would have told me. She was quite excited to realise that being a prostitute was rewarding financially and that the sex was better than the quickies she had been having. And no it wasn't a part time job, just temporary.
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Arriving late here after a blissful internet free week at Awaroa.
generally speaking, no prostitute would, without the inducement of money, have sex with the clients
er, no. At least one of my friends decided that seeing as she enjoyed anonymous sex so much she might as well get paid for it (now that it is legal).
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Hi Islander. I have a funny feeling that most feminists who were banning boys from meetings were white middle class women. And, yes I suspect that the general idea was that women were (are) conditioned to 'let' men hog the limelight. Present company excepted, there are still plenty of women who actively participate in the men hogging the limelight thing. I grew up in a house where men/boys were definitely treated as slightly more important (right/worthy) than women and in my extended family chauvinism is rife with complicit support from the women.
Hi Sacha. Your memory is better than mine. I could only recall a vague image of a playroom behind a one-way mirror. I think the point of the study was to show that women (and men) behave towards babies differently depending on what sex they think the babies are. I can bet that feminists once thought that men babies would be a distraction in a way that girl babies wouldn't be.
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I started reading this thread late and have had a lot of catching up to do.
Going back to some earlier comments on this thread.I can understand, without agreeing with the policy, why some early feminists would not allow boy babies to be brought to their meetings.*
When I was an emerging feminist there was a lot of talk about the way women act around men. I'm not trying to start a discussion about that, it is just what was being talked about. There were studies that I'm sure were published in academic journals of the time (of course it was so long ago that I've long since disposed of any notes I might have had) that looked at how woman behave around men, including boys and boy babies, and how that effected their ability to have free and frank discussions. I recall reading about studies that showed in group discussions men thought that the women dominated the discussions and it was in fact the reverse. The discussions were anything but free for the women as the men tended to interrupt the women and steer the discussions. I'm not saying that these studies were definitive, just that they were what I, and other feminists, were reading about 20-30 years ago. Women were just beginning to realise, or have it pointed out to them, that men, even babies, hog the lime-light. Women could put their daughters on the floor to play and let them get on with it but they would be constantly distracted by their demanding sons. True? I don't know. I do remember watching a film of a study of women interacting with children, the women behaved very differently towards children they were told were boys. (Wish I kept my old text books and notes now.)
So in 1970s and 80s women were saying "we can't have free and frank discussions if men are present, and look even boy babies can make us behave in a way that will disrupt our meeting. So we wont have any boys at all".
I'm not saying that I believe this, frankly I'd organise a creche and keep all the little attention grabbers out of the meeting all together.
*As an aside to Emma, I will never be able to understand why anyone would tell a woman she shouldn't bring her sons to a refuge if that would delay her escape one minute longer than necessary.
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Of course if TW had come out it would have been even better if all his lovers were white and blond.
I thought it particularly interesting that much was made of TWs affairs being with blonds. Those sneaky black men despoiling our blonds.
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Poor old early suffragettes. They thought that if women got the vote their civilising influence would get men out of the pubs and home early and gentler. Instead women joined the men getting pissed. I wonder if anyone at the time predicted that?
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Ham freezes well. Mum would slice lots of it and freeze in suitable sized packages for the weeks to follow.
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Some days I remember that occasion, an increasing number of years ago, that I stood in a garden with my lover, his sister, her partner, and a minister and got married. And my heart skips a little beat and my tummy turns over the way it did when I first fell in love with him (you know that feeling you get when you swing too high or the lift goes up really fast).