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Up Front: The Best Possible Taste

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  • steven crawford, in reply to Sister Mary Gearchange,

    Ignoring value statements about each individual goal, I’m having trouble thinking of a reason why the two are assumed to be mutually exclusive?

    Exactly, they’re not.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Sister Mary Gearchange,

    As an aside, there’s exactly zero evidence for that currently, although it seems intuitively true. There *is* evidence that diversity within mid- to high-functioning teams improves the ability of an organization to react correctly to changing external circumstances, but that’s as far as it goes on the evidence front. And it’s complete opposite in low-functioning teams or organizations. It’s a fascinating area of study; some really interesting stuff being looked at in all sorts of unusual places. From a business perspective, HR and diversity are the last great places for organizations to look for advantage. Structure, innovation, marketing, production – they’re all played out.

    That’s kind of depressing. And you right about the intuitive part. It vote that diversity in a work environment is anecdotally challenging in a stimulating way. And that diversity is good for self awareness :ie questioning my own assumptions :ie putting a spanner in the works – growing a bigger world view. In business, that could be called identifying new markets? In science, I imagine that research funding has a diversity of donors.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Sister Mary Gearchange,

    I’m having trouble thinking of a reason why the two are assumed to be mutually exclusive

    Because of sexism, I guess. Was it really that hard to imagine a scenario involving sexism?

    As an aside, there’s exactly zero evidence for that currently, although it seems intuitively true.

    Your evidence for this being? Claiming the absence of something is a notoriously difficult thing to do. You literally have to look at ALL the evidence. But really, there's so many google hits on "does diversity make teams work better?", that branch off to what looks like it could be evidence, that I don't have the time or inclination to go and fisk them all.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to BenWilson,

    I’m having trouble thinking of a reason why the two are assumed to be mutually exclusive

    Because of sexism, I guess. Was it really that hard to imagine a scenario involving sexism?

    Yeah, when I was seventeen I was told, by my biology teacher, that if I wanted to be taken seriously, I should have a breast reduction operation. There are studies which indicate that both men and women perceive the same woman with larger breasts to be both friendlier, and stupider.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to BenWilson,

    As an aside, there’s exactly zero evidence for that currently, although it seems intuitively true.

    In science, the field I was talking about, there is a metric shittonne of evidence that having a group with diverse backgrounds and race and culture and experience and gender improves the quality of the scientific output.

    That is the reason every science institute in the world tries to get postdocs, so that diverse experiences and approaches can improve their output.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4458 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Yeah, when I was seventeen I was told, by my biology teacher, that if I wanted to be taken seriously, I should have a breast reduction operation.

    Also you shouldn’t care about your personal appearance you shouldn't waste time on a social life you shouldn’t wear nice clothes you shouldn’t …

    Essentially the whole range of activities that normal young adults engage in are considered “beneath a REAL scientist” especially anything feminine. And no that’s not just anecdata but folks have taken time to do the research and collect statistically significant data – again read Nicola’s book.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4458 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to Sister Mary Gearchange,

    HR is a wasteland

    HR is there not to keep the peasants from revolting, but to keep revolts from damaging anything important (the company and board first, senior executives second). Once you understand that many "problems" with HR can be seen as necessary to its functioning. You may also find the list of naughty words above useful.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1229 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to Emma Hart,

    There are studies which indicate that both men and women perceive the same woman with larger breasts to be both friendlier, and stupider.

    I recall reading one of the studies on academic slavery in the US where women teachers got the most astonishing remarks in their student evaluations, with one of the patterns being that more attractive = dumber... but also more likeable. I wonder if breast size is a useful proxy/indication?

    The MythBUSTers episode on tipping springs to mind, they padded Kari up to various degrees and watched what tips she got serving coffee. In shocking news, more padding meant bigger tips than anything else she could do. From men and women.

    It would be really entertaining to find someone in the micro-education sector (where course are day-to-week long) and see if the same effect applies.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1229 posts Report Reply

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