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  • Sacha, in reply to Moz,

    Wreck Small Speakers on Expensive Stereos

    right there with Large Rock on a Camper Van in my local fave names list..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19667 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I will miss a few of the serious journalists like Nippert and Fisher, and I’ll see how that goes over time. But I could never contribute to any media company which continues to publish reguritated brain farts from the likes of the Hoskings and the Sopers. I just couldn’t.

    Quite. And I doubt I will actually miss anything good because everything gets re-shared, reshaped, repeated, etc on blogs and social media. I feel a little bit guilty that people did good work and didn't get paid properly for it, but that's really not my fault, and no amount of paying the Herald will fix it. I don't know what will but I'm damned sure it won't be this.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10629 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

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    Sorry to bring the Pedant Patrol down, it’s a personal bugbear…

    Hey… I helped raise a wonderful grammar fanatic – it’s already filed under ’beneficial learning experience / don’t do that again’. Meanwhile, here’s a snapshot of The Herald’s “Opinion” page right now.

    Soper has a go at twisting a Greens’ success into something involving vermin (the rats must be important because they get two mentions in the headline), Hawkesby shits on Victim Support because she can, and who can tell which self-delusional character Hosking is playing today.

    Would I help to fund the media company which gives voice to this sort of uninformed tripe, day after day? Nah. It would feel like I was paying to put petrol in Hosking’s Ferrari.


    [ That Oxford comma caused some angst Ian, I can tell you. ]

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1377 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    everything gets re-shared, reshaped, repeated, etc on blogs and social media

    Paywalls thwart that.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19667 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    everything gets re-shared, reshaped, repeated, etc on blogs and social media

    Blogs are on the road to oblivion. And an awful lot of shit speech is being generated on social media in the first place, but lazily gets framed as grown up journalism. This is lowering the bar in the aim of making a grunting noise sufficient, and an acceptable standard.

    What people say on twitter isn’t normally very important. When an important person says something stupid on twitter, which could inflame hatred and anger, its gets published in the news paper. then the cycle begins another round, getting tweeted, retweeted and in – be – ween – tweeted, another important person says a tweet in response which gets reported back to the news paper as something someone important uttered on twitter. And that gets retweeted.

    Could someone please reboot the Internet? It probably also needs a defrag.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to steven crawford,

    Blogs are on the road to oblivion.

    People said that about newspapers 20 years ago. And it's probably still true but they have had remarkable legs. Blogs are not as popular as Twitter, certainly, but they still sit there are very low cost ways for people to generate content they are in 100% control over, so I don't see them disappearing. I'll still read the good ones regardless of the supposed inevitability of history. Probably they have to be social media savvy to drive audiences to them, but I'm yet to see any social media that can deliver a high quality discussion, and I don't think the desire for that will disappear from this earth for good.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10629 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to steven crawford,

    When an important person says something stupid on twitter, which could inflame hatred and anger, its gets published in the news paper.

    It used to be called gossip, and it was denigrated as useless. The funny thing is the purpose it serves isnt well understood or is lost in the mists of time. Its a leveler, the ultimate humanizer. An otherwise important person says something incredibly stupid/dumb/lazy ( say the king) it gives everyone a laugh he becomes just like the rest of us, another fool bumbling through life no better just better off.
    The part that is lost is the speaker is supposed to learn from it as well, just a little bit of humility with each idiotic utterance. That part is glossed over, now its the double down. Never admit to being wrong or in Donald Trumps case admit to being anything other than a perfect embodiment of human intellect. Poor fool, I would pity him if he wasnt such a danger.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to BenWilson,

    Probably they have to be social media savvy to drive audiences to them, but I’m yet to see any social media that can deliver a high quality discussion, and I don’t think the desire for that will disappear from this earth for good.

    Yes, social media, being a totally,* dialogic transmission system, by nature is the busy hub. Like a popular bar where conversations are difficult amoungst the competition of crowd noise. Thats where people can have a couple of drinks and discuss heading off over to one of the many small performance venues around town, which have quieter lounge areas for chatting between and after the show.

    *Puppet masters have been known to manipulate social media from time to time.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to andin,

    Good point! I forgot about gossiping.

    I learn from checking how I feel about my thinking when it’s out of the shed. My not very well kept secret here at Russell’s social media platform, is to wrongfully use the edit function button rather than the preview switch, which inevitably clocks out leaving my last and not always best iterations exposed. It keeps me continuously striving for improvement in my writing style.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

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