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  • Steve Barnes,

    Got my first CD in '86 and built my first server in '93, I think. The intervening years were mostly spent at the Gluepot.
    Details are a bit vague for some reason :-P
    Musicmatch jukebox was my first ripper and hard drive space was accumulated from friends in graphics and software companies constantly upgrading their gear and me getting the castoffs.
    Early adaptasaurus.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    It was used as a reason for making CDs MORE expensive, even though they were cheaper to produce and distribute than vinyl.

    AFAIR the rationale at the time was the cost of developing the technology, which was also used to reduce CD royalties to artists by 75%

    Because at the time they were no easier to copy than tapes or vinyl. It was several years before the first burners became commercially available.

    Very true. The first Cd copiers were Cd to cassette. Until the early 1990s it was home taping that was killing music.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Secondhand Rows and the Royal Tease debate...
    Aside from the ever changing field of sequestering
    actual, or electromagnetic, vibrations on a bewildering
    array of substrates...

    I wonder what size chunk of change has been kept from artists by second-(and third, fourth...ad infinitum)-hand sales?
    (ditto for books...)

    Seriously! Surely the content/song remains the same...

    I guess that idea will fly like a lead dirigible, huh?
    Much as the perfectly sane sounding, ongoing percentages for creators of artworks idea is always shot down in flames... maybe Helium instead of Hydrogen?

    A move from ownership to onus-ship is called for
    rather than piracy of the high Cs
    or perhaps a simple Buck-an-ear tax?

    Bonnie Prince Billy Occam
    for a closer shave...

    PS: sorry if you've covered this argument earlier on
    in the thread, didn't have to time to read all 109 pages,
    I'm waiting for the movie : )

    PPS: Simon how did the Box/CC night go?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    Simon how did the Box/CC night go?

    Rather well actually. As someone said, we emptied the Lawn Bowls clubs and Bingo Halls that weekend.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • Islander,

    Ur, Ian - I may be taking you up wrongly:BUT- if your book (my area of interest - we wont get into other peripheries) has been bought, and you've been paid your royalty, and the buyer then goes and - o I dunno, eats it? No worries! I dont want to tax or claim on the shit.Or ,if they've sold their copy, sue the secondhand book retailer.You can claim downstream copyright- you cannot claim downstream rights to individual books.

    If, however, your book has been bought, and then a 1000 download copies are made available on the web to*people who have not bought the book from author or publisher* and are not paying royalties that flow through to the author (or publisher) =shitty situation.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Papyrus, pay per paper view...
    Doing away with the oral tradition did open a can of worms didn't it... The story-teller was always feted and fed.

    I always had a vision of books - as repositories of ideas - being story tellers by artifice (artifiction perhaps) and proxy - their demand driven by internal content not sheer physicality - not as consumable produce or artefacts (artefaction?) and should be traded much like the Masonic Exchange: ie people purchase the use of the book but it goes back to the clearing house to be on sold/leased not let loose into unmonitored trading.... what a dreamer eh...

    But do I infer from what you say, Islander, that second hand book sales are actually an unpoliced illegality?

    No wonder books have Flack Jackets to sell themselves - they're on their own after that...

    Gutenberg only started a trickle
    but once the going got wired and weired
    the whole dam thing is gonna blow...

    The Sedge
    Byblos against the Empire

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Islander,

    No no no! good wordplaying figment! (Everyone's Giovanni's- right? Boy, are we gonna get him for- errrrm?)
    Secondhand books have already paid their way! (insofar as humble gnashingteeth writers are concerned.)

    I am a storyteller of the old kind - I flick away words and lines everyday, and wouldnt ever claim copyspoke on 'em - but a typed-in story? A writtendown poem? A novel I've spent nearly half my life and an awful lot of blood & pain to bring to novelhood? Am I going to protect that with every tooth&nail I have or can buy!


    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Knowledge Bro,

    Islander I Land at your Landing
    I do not tremble before your tremendous tower.
    I have come to save your words,
    Rapunzel, let down your hair.
    You belong to those that hear you,
    Was one man's meat another's beef whore?.

    irony pyrates--the fools gold

    Behind the fridge • Since Mar 2009 • 58 posts Report

  • Kerry Weston,

    Interesting link to discussion around the Anderson/Gladwell debate:
    Limitations of Free

    Manawatu • Since Jan 2008 • 494 posts Report

  • Kerry Weston,

    One publisher's idea of a fresh model utilising social networking - what do you think, Islander?

    Round Table will bring to the social networking platform not just finished content, but many aspects of the publishing process—including, for authors open to the idea, peer editing. The idea is that feedback and crowd-sourcing can dramatically enrich the editing, authoring and reading process for all involved—not to mention expose potential talent among members of the community (“In our formulation,” says Nash, “readers are writers”).

    Round Table

    Manawatu • Since Jan 2008 • 494 posts Report

  • Islander,

    Sounds like a mix of writing-by-komiti, fan-fic, and an e-bookclub...there will be people who'll enjoy it, just as there are a lot of fanfictioneers & bookclubs around. If they expect actual good-quality work to arise from such a stew-

    things like this -sans formal publishing input- already exist : for instance, round the Japanese "phone-novels."

    I think this pair of publishers are seeking a way to capitilise on such-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Alastair Jamieson,

    If anyone remembers the original post, Prof. Lessig features in one of this year's NZ International Film Festival entries - the RiP: A remix manifesto.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 99 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    Radio NZ from the 12th of July on the Copyright issue. It obviously lacks the rich detail of an 110 page thread, but covers a fair chunk of it sensibly.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • Jake Pollock,

    Joel Tenenbaum's trial is now underway. He's the guy being sued by the RIAA for $4.5million. You can follow him on twitter and his his website. He also has an article in the Guardian about the joys of being sued.

    Raumati South • Since Nov 2006 • 489 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    TelstraClear introduce some local research findings about their customers' behaviour.

    Spokesperson Matthew Bolland joins a surprisingly agreeable if poorly-led conversation on TVNZ's Close Up with Arthur Baysting of APRA and Bronwyn-Holiday Smith from the Creative Freedom Foundation.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    Tom Yorke on the CD and the music industry.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • Phil Brownlee,

    Interesting how Mr Baysting's position has shifted. He sounds quite reasonable there.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2008 • 25 posts Report

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    Ind • Since Apr 2010 • 1 posts Report

  • Emma Hart,

    OMG look! We got SPAM on the copyright thread. That's so beautiful, on so many levels.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report

  • Islander,

    Yes. And can we now shut that thread down forever?


    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    To be fair, it was silent for 8 months before the spam..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    Actually, while we're on the subject of copyright...


    Don't worry - I wouldn't dare.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • recordari,

    Why not? It is probably safer than discussing Art or that Sesh video, if current form is anything to go by. But then, I wasn't there, so 'It is nought good a slepyng hound to wake' as Chaucer said.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report

  • Rich Lock,

    It awakens!

    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Nah, I'm with Chaucer

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

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