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  • BenWilson,

    Hang on, you're asking if you can get a COF for some other kind of purpose without a TSL? I think so. I don't know exactly and it's not really relevant to the discussion, which is about driving for Uber or Taxis. I think rental cars tend to have COFs but don't need a TSL. It's a trick that Uber might use after your car gets impounded, telling you to use a rental car. It won't fool the next cop, of course, but it might fool a driver into thinking he's all sweet now, until he gets caught again and this time will have the full weight of the Land Transport Act thrown at him. His rental car will be impounded this time.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to BenWilson,

    Rental cars are required to have COFs (and rental companies have their own kind of TSL with fairly limited requirements I think, though I wondered if Wicked's could be yanked on grounds of unfit impropriety).

    A personal housetruck or other non-commercial heavy vehicle (like this) needs a COF as well, but no TSL

    I just wondered why the site doesn't mention cars as needing a TSL to get a COF. Do COFs expire when you sell the vehicle? (Oh, I see http://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/light-psvs/transport-service-licence/tsl)

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • goforit,

    Basicly all vehicles that are for hire and reward must be operated under a TSL, but the TSL has been broken down to reflect where in the hire and reward industry they belong to. Small passenger service vehicles operate under a PSL but older small passenger services may be still under the older TSL that exsisted before the PSLs where introduced, rental vehicles operate under a rental vehicle license, good service vehicles are operated under a good service license. All vehicles in the hire and reward industries must have a COF. There is no such thing as a private use vehicle in the hire and reward sector. Motor homes if for private use don't need a TSL but must have a COF if over 6 tonnes in weight.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • goforit, in reply to goforit,

    COF if over 6 tonnes in weight.

    opps made a mistake COF applies to motorhomes over 3.5 tonnes. The minium driving licence required is private up to 6 tonnes.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • goforit,

    Hi Ben, what have you done to Uber, have they gone into hiding. I had a pop up thingy on my PC stating the Parnel Uber office was permanently closed.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to goforit,

    Really? I wonder where they are now? Can you send me a screenshot? benedictwilson@hotmail.com

    I notice that referral bonuses for new drivers have now hit $750. If they go any higher, they might as well just be paying for the compliance in the first place.

    Suggests that it’s becoming difficult to get new drivers. Here’s a thought, Uber. Put the prices back up, like what all drivers have been asking for since April.

    Edited to Add: Or you could post a screenshot here. You have to make a post, then submit it, then edit it. There will be a button for adding attachments.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • goforit,

    https://www.google.co.nz/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=m2g8Vt3OKK_u8weSnIGYAw&gws_rd=ssl#q=uber+parnell

    Don't know if I have captured it, but try this, its part of the ad in the RH top corner

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Ah, so you mean they're showing up as closed in Google Maps?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    I have a feeling that this will lead to huge lawsuits in the US. There is no way Uber can distance themselves from this, when they have not followed any due process to ensure the drivers comply to the state screening processes.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to BenWilson,

    Furthermore, it is only a matter of time before this happens in NZ. Then both Uber and our government will be in all sorts of shit. They have sat on their hands far, far too long.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • goforit, in reply to BenWilson,

    That is where I refound it, origionly it was a pop up thingy when I was looking at some thing else.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • goforit,

    I see Uber's updated app makes its hard to follow whats going on including when surge pricing is in effect. Looks like the drivers will be missing out on surge price values putting more money into the pockets of Uber.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to goforit,

    There still seems to be a surge map. But it's never been that easy to see how hard the customer is being surged. Part and parcel of not being responsible for the billing.

    Last night I had a first. Big long surge at end of Shapeshifter concert. Got 4 back to back Zoomy rides. It seems like they are really starting to get market penetration. I was stoked, drivers get guaranteed $10 minimum fares. So cheaper for passenger and better paid for driver. Also I notice the passenger base has way way less pissed munters. It's like what Uber was like at the start of the year.

    Then I get this with my breakfast this morning. Full page exposure.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • goforit, in reply to BenWilson,

    Thats good Zoomy appears to be gaining ground, when my taxi was with them I was lucky to get one job per fortnight. That arcticle was really well writen and to the point.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to goforit,

    Yeah bro a lot has changed in the last few months. Worth a look again.

    I've spoken to the people who run it personally. A couple of very switched on guys with a sound business plan and some big backers. They fully want to work with the Drivers Association (although they baulk at the name having Uber in it, as you'd expect). They're on the steady-she-goes build, prioritizing the level of service over the driver's guarantee of a full time job - their biggest challenge was literally to build the driver base, so their $15 guaranteed fare was an excellent ploy. But now they seem to be gaining viral traction, and their pricing is set to compete head to head with Uber without killing the drivers in the process.

    I hope they get into the Wellington market ASAP. Then there would be no reason for (compliant) drivers to fear the sudden loss of Uber from this market - the gap could be filled in very, very short order. The non compliant drivers? Who cares, really? They never really had a job, and what nebulous employment they did have caused huge hurt to the others working for the same company, and made the playing field totally uneven for any competition, most especially the regular taxi industry. Which is why I don't include Christchurch in my wish list. Uber never even attempted legality there. It will be a bit stink for the small number of compliant drivers, but I don't think that gap can't be filled rapidly too.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Arden's case has been pushed back as their defense appears to be entirely jurisdictional. It's not clear why, with the several months they've had to prepare that this adjournment is necessary. Hopefully it indicates that the referee wants more time to get their head around the issues. Because more time is only going to make things worse for Uber. If the referee even reads the Aslam & Farrar vs Uber ruling beforehand they are pretty screwed. That thing was incredibly damning.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    The idea of trying to evade NZ law on jurisdictional grounds, when their business is run here in every meaningful part of the word "run", is farcical. I'm pretty confident that any judge can see this. Any person can see it - the conniptions are astonishing that are required for anyone to think that passengers and drivers operate via contracts between each other, or that drivers have a contract with anyone but the local Uber that signed them up, trained them, advised them, dealt with every issue, collected lost property, fronted the organization in every meaningful way. Even Uber staff themselves struggle with it. It's clearly very, very difficult to deal with the cognitive dissonance required in maintaining an entirely fictitious underlying relationship to people who are not even strong in the English language. I've heard many of the conversations where a driver starts pinning them down on the detail in which the staff member's speech starts becoming incoherent, addled, rapid, breathless. This doesn't happen to people who are sure of their standing. These are signs of people breaking down while telling outright lies.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • goforit,

    You must have known this would have been their response to your action. Will take years and a lot of money for this case to have a conclusion. This is why the new proposed transport act changes are aiming to overcome by having operations like Ubers to have an NZ idendity.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to goforit,

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. But no, I don't think tarpitting the Tribunal can be dragged out for years, nor will there be any further expense. Furthermore, we have a number of these coming and the referees may see matters differently in other districts.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I don't think the locus of their offices has any bearing on the jurisdiction of the Employment Tribunal. If the work's being done by an NZ resident in NZ, then NZ law applies.

    IANAL, but you knew that.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    It's the Disputes Tribunal but the same comment applies. You can't contact out of the jurisdiction. The Act states that very clearly.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • goforit,

    looks like 30% commission to Uber is on its way

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I'm probably going to be on Seven Sharp tonight.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • goforit,

    Seen you on tele Ben, god when is this crap all coming to an end.

    Auckland • Since May 2016 • 314 posts Report Reply

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