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  • Russell Clarke, in reply to Islander,

    your intellect is sort of on the level of a paua

    Hey don't hate on the poor pauas!

    -36.76, 174.61 or thereab… • Since Nov 2006 • 164 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Clarke,

    As Ira's and MSD's version of events is somewhat different, it's lucky they record all phone calls. All they need to do is release the recording in question.

    Keith can probably tell them what folder it's in.

    -36.76, 174.61 or thereab… • Since Nov 2006 • 164 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Russell Clarke,

    I luuurve paua!
    Please, do not get me wrong- I cherish my family paua colonies – right up to the moment of inclusion into us-

    (and seriously, te whanau does a lot of work ensuring paua live happy lives right up unto-

    seriously, I put real paua in a high place - waaay above fuckwits---

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to papango,

    ... hoping nobody asks what it is they do again
    or why we’re paying for it.

    But surely the minister in charge would have all those answers ...
    <coat>.
    </door>

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Karen Adams,

    This poor guy does everything he can to help and THIS is how he is treated by MSD?!

    Clearly they have a follow the leader type approach. In the same way Paula Bennett attacked beneficiaries who were critical of her policy, her staff have set up this guy for attack via media.

    I am disgusted with MSD.

    Thank goodness it was taken to Kevin Ng or WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THIS WOULD HAVE PERSISTED? I'd donate to this other dude if I had a way. He has been set up to take the fall when MSD failed to act - they could have closed the Kiosks last week. God knows they would have if each Kiosk were an atm machine with WINZ money spewing out.

    Under your bed • Since Oct 2012 • 16 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Islander,

    I luuurve paua!
    I put real paua in a high place...

    ...one could almost describe the action
    as, well, 'foot in mouth'...
    yum!
    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to papango,

    The New Zealand National Cyber Security Centre is an actual thing

    Which is here and is hosted inside the GCSB...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2932 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to nzlemming,

    Wonderful, how farcically cyclic.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3214 posts Report Reply

  • Jonathan King,

    However exactly it went down with Ira, here's what they should be called on:

    When told Keith was printing a story they shut the kiosks down instantly ...

    But when told about it last week by some bloke asking were they interested in knowing (or, sure, paying for that knowledge) they did nothing! Why not?

    Since Sep 2010 • 185 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve,

    I wrote lots more words about all there on my very own bloggy thing...
    Dealing with #WTFMSD

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve, in reply to Jonathan King,

    But when told about it last week by some bloke asking were they interested in knowing (or, sure, paying for that knowledge) they did nothing! Why not?

    Presumably the details that Ira disclosed in those conversations weren't specific enough.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    farcically cyclic

    ++++1!

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Dylan Reeve,

    I wrote lots more words about all there on my very own bloggy thing...
    Dealing with #WTFMSD

    Good post, Dylan. I can't see them doing it but it's a good suggestion, in my view.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2932 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve,

    It seems like the right approach, especially as we move more toward Open Government and all that. But it is also hard to imagine some people (politicians) seeing the bigger picture.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Islander,

    Paua brain: I can hear it catching on. I will seed it with the teens.

    BTW I haven’t seen any mention of EQC’s documentation being compromised. That's a pity; I would like to see the costings for my house. Ironic isn't it: I own a house, pay insurance, yet I am not allowed to know details of the insurance repair process. Yet children are taken by the government to live in a safe house where the address is publicly available on government computers throughout New Zealand. A lot is very wrong with both situations.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2898 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Presumably the details that Ira disclosed in those conversations weren't specific enough.

    What's likely is that the details were quite specific; if you're pointing out a bug or security hole you tend to do so. It's how people who work with computers work, in my experience.

    What's even more likely is that those dealing with it had insufficient incentive in the form of either positive or negative consequences to do anything about it. The mere existence of a massive opening to tens of thousands of people's lives was not enough.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Ben Masters,

    How bitter do you have to be, when finding a breach in “national security”, that, upon realizing you weren’t going to be paid for your “troubles” you felt the need to go behind the back of MSD and break this story.

    I'm puzzled as to how telling MSD he would be bringing the problem to the attention of his journalist friend is "going behind the back of MSD".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Don't feed the trolls, Russell. They'll be asking for USB access next.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2932 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    it's the vibe of the thing, your honour

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I see Claire Trevett's story is up on the Herald site.

    Could someone please remind Brendan Boyle exactly who lays criminal charges in a democracy?

    Mr Boyle said there were no plans to lay charges against Mr Ng for revealing the breach publicly but it was too early to say whether Mr Bailey would be charged.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Could someone please remind Brendan Boyle exactly who lays criminal charges in a democracy?

    Of course, the MSD can dedicate time and resources to laying a complaint with the Police and the subsequent investigation. But one would think Mr Boyle and his staff have something else rather complicated and time-consuming that should have their undivided attention first. Don’t you think?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart, in reply to papango,

    You’ll laugh (or cry, or both), but we actually already have one. The New Zealand National Cyber Security Centre is an actual thing. It’s got strategy documents and forms and an info security manual that runs to 297 pages. You’ll be shocked, shocked!, to learn that they are ignoring this and hoping nobody asks what it is they do again or why we’re paying for it.

    To be fair, their remit runs more to "stop antagonistic powers shutting down our power grid from afar" than "manage every government department's IT security". An organization the size of MSD should really have permanent IT security staff. But, hey, that's probably one of those unimportant "backroom" jobs taking limited resources away from frontline staff.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Kevin Middleton,

    Good luck to "the source" in seeking "reward".The govt were warned as far back as 2005 they have security problems & bugs in there "system",but ignored it to the extent of Key's office staff sending rather silly emails & making a big joke of it.Bennett needs to be a bit smarter,her CEO should not trust anything thrust down his gullett by Winz staffers either as it may appear as though he's a bit thick.

    Invercargill • Since Oct 2012 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    insider

    to the end

    Oh you mean this bit.

    Since he called MSD and left his name and number, it was always likely that they’d out him as a diversion. We had hoped that it wouldn’t get to that, but it has, which is why I’m writing this now.

    Should he have reported the vulnerability, free of charge? Yeah, that would have been the selfless thing to do for the public good. But asking to be compensated for his troubles is not unreasonable, either. After all, it’s not as if the people MSD ended up relying on – KPMG – did it for free.

    Oh look what I spy
    The word that has caught thine eye.

    Now far be it from me to question Keith’s choice of vocabulary. The words I would have used would have been ‘honesty and diligence’. Yes these are qualities that should be rewarded when they are encountered in any sphere of life by anyone who encounters them He wasnt looking for trouble, which he obviously has enough of in his life. He was at WINZ looking for work. Such qualities do get one into a lot of trouble especially when there is a gummit and Peeyem who think they can do no wrong. Led by a man who treats the words that come out of his mouth with total disinterest. ‘Oh my mouth is moving, making sounds…listen everyone! Lo I am Peeyem.’ And yes they do present as arrogant as a whole. As if they know the future what is in all our best interest to desire, to aspire to. And treat anyone pointing out a possible flaw as TROUBLE.
    Well I happen to disagree with them and their way of dealing with people and matters of public affair.. Despite their protestations they are doing evil and damage to many parts of life in NZ

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    MSD CEO Brendan Boyle in happier times:

    “He [John Key] saw the advantages of a modern ICT environment and is a great believer in what ICT can do in terms of productivity. Rather than benchmark against other government departments, people now benchmark against online services such as those provided by banks,” Boyle told Computerworld back then.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

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