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OnPoint: Taskforce 2025: A Space Odyssey

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  • giovanni tiso,

    - A NZ$10,000 guaranteed minimum income to replace all benefits

    Wow, the harpist cycling woman will be happy. Can somebody enlighten me on what is the current level of benefits, say for somebody with a permanent disability? I wonder how much it would come to once all the bits are assembled.

    As for the flat tax proposal, I won't express my feelings just in case there may be children watching.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Can somebody enlighten me on what is the current level of benefits, say for somebody with a permanent disability?

    Current rates for Invalid's benefit. Accomodation Supplement should be added to that; rates not available online.

    Suffice to say that $10k pa would represent a significact cut in most (almost all?) cases.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    The benefit proposal won't work as proposed -- I doubt Morgan understands what the system does -- but the guaranteed minimum income idea is interesting.

    I agree, guaranteed minimum income is an idea I really like. His number is odd though - $10k a year is under the maximum unemployment benefit alone? Yet he wants to remove any right to a DPB or a sickness benefit as well?
    Make that number higher and while it's silly to presume that you can remove ALL benefits with that, but you could certainly cut them down (e.g. sickness benefit for only significant illness, DPB would need to maintain etc).

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Suffice to say that $10k pa would represent a significact cut in most (all?) cases.

    Some DPB payments are under $200 a week. All unemployment benefits would increase, by between $73 and $9 dollars - the unemployment benefit is calculated on an age discriminatory basis, because being 24 is clearly less costly than being 25.

    Also, 3410, I love your avatar.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Some DPB payments are under $200 a week.

    Okay, but how many would not also receive an accomodation benefit. You really have to include that in the calculation.

    (and ta!)

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Accommodation Supplement

    Isn't that otherwise known as the residential real-estate investors incentive?

    - A NZ$10,000 guaranteed minimum income to replace all benefits

    Wow, I just had a great idea. lets divide the country up and have a communist block, probably the south island, because the cars wont rust out like they do in the north. And the south would make a better back drop for producing bleak, low budget film dramas.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    (and ta!)

    Thats the wittiest Gravitar on PAS, genius.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    lets divide the country up and have a communist block, probably the south island, because the cars wont rust out like they do in the north. And the south would make a better back drop for producing bleak, low budget film dramas.

    Tear down this... strait?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Whoops, wrong thread.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Tear down this... strait?

    I think we can work with that. How about: "The strait divide"

    Only problem, South New Zealand sounds a bit funny.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    genius.

    *blush*

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Can we cut the cable too?

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Littlewood,

    More Oram on Nine to Noon: the report is "absolutely devoid of any analysis of what's gone on in the New Zealand economy or the world economy in the last 20 years."

    This thing really is shaping up as a waste of public money.

    I can't have been the only to read all the 35 points with an increasing sense of open-mouth horror only to get to the last one...

    35. Zespri’s monopoly on the export of kiwifruit to markets outside Australia should be removed.

    ...and decide that it actually was some sort of bizarre joke.

    The punchline could have been better, though.

    Today, Tomorrow, Timaru • Since Jan 2007 • 449 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    ...and decide that it actually was some sort of bizarre joke.

    Too right, there isn't much lateral thinking involved. What if the Australians went broke? then we would be the winners, and our live would have meaning.

    [Edit] but we have pay parity with Ireland, don't we? are we not doing ok, really? I wish I had been better educated.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Thats the wittiest Gravitar on PAS, genius.

    Damn straight. Er ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Jason Dykes,

    The best things in life are free. But report writers want money. That's what they want.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 76 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I couldn't agree more Jason.

    But sadly, I think we could be witnessing another wave of "mood for change" marketing.

    it now seems they have better work Christmas parties than us as well.

    The amount of money spent on workplace Christmas parties is one more reason to look across the ditch with green eyes - a report yesterday by the Don Brash-led 2025 Taskforce said we have smaller houses, die sooner, have fewer cars and televisions and drink less fruit juice than our Aussie counterparts.

    By Kieran Nash

    Note, We have fewer cars and televisions than them!

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I'm getting really angry about those Australians having more stuff than us. Lets build a nuclear bomb...

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    a report yesterday by the Don Brash-led 2025 Taskforce said we have smaller houses, die sooner, have fewer cars and televisions and drink less fruit juice than our Aussie counterparts.

    OMG we need to close the fruit juice gap too!

    I'm getting really angry about those Australians having more stuff than us. Lets build a nuclear bomb...

    But they have all the uranium. Bastards!

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    But they have all the uranium. Bastards!

    Bastards alright.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4414 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    OMG we need to close the fruit juice gap too!

    Yeah, but there is a significant beer gap, bread gap, chocolate gap, icecream gap, in fact just about every type of everyday food that I can think of, New Zealand does as well or better. They do have better Italian, Lebanese and Greek food, but that's because they have more Italians, Lebanese, and Greeks.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Smaller houses. But still truckloads bigger than the Europeans. Almost three times the size of a British house. Take that, Notherners!

    Also, Australian houses are a huge pain to heat and cool, one of the reasons with coal-fired electricity they have the highest emissions of any developed country.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    What can we beat the world at? Being greener than everyone else?

    Oh, wait...

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Jason Dykes,

    Well, we won't ever win the "bigger than" contest. We can be cooler tho.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 76 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi,

    What can we beat the world at?

    Being apologetic.

    "New Zealand: We're really sorry about that."

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

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