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The Herald's Business editor Liam Dann writes this morning:
It is odd to have to make a declaration but given the intense focus of the past few weeks it is worth noting that, to the best of my knowledge, the Business Herald has never traded information or sourced stories from Cameron Slater, Cathy Odgers or Carrick Graham.
We've consciously avoided this stuff and tried to chart a path through the finance company fallout as diligently as the lawyers will allow.
Robert Fox, in reply to
Thae fact that someone at the Herald has to make a declaration like is pretty sad really. The Herald has been tainted by this scandal.
Another OIA speedily approved by Collins office, this one to embarrass head of SFO according to stuff.
It is getting hard to draw a conclusion that doesn't point towards corrupt behaviour.
PM John Key has confirmed there will be a hurried inquiry into Collins's actions in relation to the Feeley / SFO affair. Mr Key has assured the public that the enquiry will of course be ‘Complete, Off-the-record, Verifiable, Extensive, Restricted and Ultimately Pointless’, as most New Zealanders would expect.
[Caveat: that last comment is obviously not a direct quote] ;-)
From early 2011, Slater attempting to pin down Brian Edwards and Judy Callingham on their relationship to Hotchin and his wife. You have to delve down through the comments:
For the record can you please state whether or not you or Judy, or any of your associated companies have been or are currently engaged by the Hotchins or any of their associated entities for the purposes of public relations, communications or any other business.
One question that a lot of this raises for me, is how much did the central agencies of the public service (SSC, Treasury, DPMC) know about what was going on in terms of dirty politics?
If central agencies were aware of what was going on, and said nothing, that is a concern, and reinforces the need for a wide-ranging Royal Commission into dirty politics that looks at:
2. the public sector, and
3. the media.
Phil Wallington, in reply to
Darren Hughes was the electorate MP... for Otaki. He was popular in the district despite its largely rural nature (cows and sheep vote National). I live in this electoral division and we now have Nathan Guy as our local member. He is a farmer and strongly allied to the farming lobby. Darren was a loss and I hope that he wasn't targeted by the filth who seem to spend so much time swimming in the sewer on behalf of their dishonest leader and his gang. Key claims that he is clean but that claim looks increasingly threadbare.
Darren Hughes was the electorate MP… for Otaki
He was but he lost that seat and by the time of his resignation he was a list MP. He is mentioned in Slater's correspondence with, I think, Aaron Bhatnager, but there's no hint of any set-up, just very explicit details of Hughes' behavior which were totally unacceptable for an MP.
Roger, in reply to
What happens next will be a test of our democracy.
I am finding it very hard not to be both cynical and pessimistic; consequently I am expecting it to make little or no difference. Please world, prove me wrong.
Joe Wylie, in reply to
Darren Hughes was the electorate MP… for Otaki. He was popular in the district despite its largely rural nature
Hughes has strong local connections. He’s from Levin, went to school there. I believe that the gains he secured for local health care made him pretty popular with a certain sector of the electorate.
Alex Coleman, in reply to
That's amazing Joe. Love the discussion that follows on from it regarding pedantry and tense too.
Hughes now works for the Electoral Reform Society here in London, if theur newsletter is accurate. Although if I recall they were more of a STV shop
Hilary Stace, in reply to
This may have all been speculation – there was no verification any of it. The police did an investigation but no charges resulted. There was reference to an anonymous letter that had been sent to many media outlets. One of the W/O journalist associates led the story. Darren stood down because of the media interest and later resigned – it also damaged Goff who had apparently also doubted the story so hadn’t acted immediately. He protested his innocence the whole time. Anonymous letters and a fabricated media storm. It all sounds very suspicious. NZ’s loss but the UK’s gain.
Stephen Doyle, in reply to
I suspect he's been engaged by Paula Bennett.
Rob S, in reply to
Hear Boag spinning like a top and Hooten having a real go at her on Radio Live (embedded audio clip).
Boag and Hooten going hammer and tongs fucking gold!
I don’t think she could lie straight in bed.
Steve Barnes, in reply to
So his office but not him, but when he talks about himself does he mean himself himself or the PM’s Office himself? Confused? You will be …
Oh the intricacies of spelling and the English language. To clarify, the PM talks through his Orifice.
Kumara Republic, in reply to
It is getting hard to draw a conclusion that doesn’t point towards corrupt behaviour.
Corrupt behaviour straying into obstruction-of-justice territory.
If I was Winston Peters I would start the process of tracking down Hanover investors who lost money they could not afford in their retirement and are willing to be interviewed about how they feel about the current situation.
With everyone else, Palmer, the opposition, even Hooton, calling for a proper wide ranging and independent inquiry, do you think Key can still avoid it? Surely he has to capitulate, which would mean it'll happen after the election. If not, it shows up some of the issues we have with the structure of our "democracy"- seriously inadequate checks on those in power. A limited inquiry will fool no-one and surely risk alienating honourable Nats, just digging a deeper hole.
Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Labour or the Greens could also do this.
nzlemming, in reply to
Wow, Hooton neck deep in a sewage pond splashing about frantically trying to drive away the floating turds. Sorry, has everyone eaten already?
It all depends how high and far the rot can be shown to go, doesn't it? If the PM (not the PM's office) is truly clean, then it is in his own best interests to have a proper, full inquiry. It needs to be of the highest integrity and to be seen to be beyond any manipulation and it must have a very wide brief.
If not... JK will be judged by his actions.
A C Young, in reply to
Labour or the Greens could also do this.
They could but Labour is supposed to be avoiding attack politics and while I think the way that the Greens have been positioned by the media is unfair, their most likely voting demographic isn't currently retired people (or those who are afraid of their retirement going wrong).
Winston on the other hand...
If Winston switched from creepy race baiting to people whose retirement has been shattered then I feel like the world would be a slightly better place.
Paul Williams, in reply to
He is mentioned in Slater's correspondence with, I think, Aaron Bhatnager, but there's no hint of any set-up, just very explicit details of Hughes' behavior which were totally unacceptable for an MP.
If true, which I don't know although perhaps others' do, then they'd be unacceptable for any individual, MP or otherwise, but you're points still valid about 'a set up'.
Steve Curtis, in reply to
Slater attempting to pin down Brian Edwards and Judy Callingham on their relationship to Hotchin and his wife. You have to delve down through the comments:
If you had delved down through the comments on Brian Edwards blog like you said, you would have seen classic Slater trying to misrepresent what Edwards said and then Brian doing a ritual halal on him.
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